obvioulsy not going to flash up the name of the competing software that does do this. however, given that (imho) BA must surely have the biggest subs paying base out of the main players, how do you reckon these competitors manage to do this and still remain viable??
BAMI - Bet Angel Market Import
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ShaunWhite
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There's way more to this than changing the BA data source from live to a saved stream. Creating a trading simulator whose results were meaningful would be an enormous job in proportion to the likely return. Look at the hoo-ha around PIQ...that's piece of cake compared to a sim.
We have spoken to Betfair quite a few times about this and their position remains unchanged.jimibt wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:37 pmobvioulsy not going to flash up the name of the competing software that does do this. however, given that (imho) BA must surely have the biggest subs paying base out of the main players, how do you reckon these competitors manage to do this and still remain viable??
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spreadbetting
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You already have a practice mode all you'd be doing is replacing the incoming price feed. The historic data is all timestamped and JSON format so I'd be very surprised if it's a complicated job to get that to mimic the streaming feed. Dunno if it's still available on the API but to use the delayed testbed it was a case of simply changing the endpoint, BAMI would simply be a different endpoint albeit with a addon to convert the hstoric files to API streaming format.ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:56 pmThere's way more to this than changing the BA data source from live to a saved stream. Creating a trading simulator whose results were meaningful would be an enormous job in proportion to the likely return. Look at the hoo-ha around PIQ...that's piece of cake compared to a sim.
From a technical point of view it's really not the hardest thing in the world but financially I can't see it being viable, like I pointed out earlier in the thread. Few people will pay £200 per sport per month, BA would only generate additional revenue over subs if they sold the meetings as per the historic data vendor licence like fracsoft and the other. That's only 50p per meeting so hard to see them either making much money or even indvidual users getting much use out of a few meetings here or there so anyone serioud would want to pay the full £200pm for their own data rather than via BA.
just waking this thread up again due to a new thread on the topic: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26695
how do things stand regards the numerous ways that BA can now be setup to save live streaming data. just wondering if there could be a way to replay saved data via this route??
Didn't mean to be that aggressive, but it annoys me when they have double standards with regard to collecting, storing and publishing data. It's really unhelpful and I can't see how this helps their business.
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jamesedwards
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They must be protecting some large commercial revenue stream.
time to waken this thread up for its annual outing. so, what's changed since the last comment??
Are the licencing terms still the same?? Does the implementation of the BA api open the possibility of using that as an interface/entry point which could stream in the betfair or handcrafted json streams (i.e. simply supply a json file location)??
Just feeling that almost 10 years on, there must be new angles on this challenging topic.
As i've mentioned way back, the BA engine must surely be designed and built in such a way as to be agnostic of the data endpoint, therefore hitting a file location would/could simply be a case of consuming the file and spitting it out to the BA internals (i know this would of course involve adding a process to consume and spit back the data at a user defined rate - i.e. faking the stream into BA internals).
Without trivialising the effort involved, it just seems to me that the design currently must support this.
Are the licencing terms still the same?? Does the implementation of the BA api open the possibility of using that as an interface/entry point which could stream in the betfair or handcrafted json streams (i.e. simply supply a json file location)??
Just feeling that almost 10 years on, there must be new angles on this challenging topic.
As i've mentioned way back, the BA engine must surely be designed and built in such a way as to be agnostic of the data endpoint, therefore hitting a file location would/could simply be a case of consuming the file and spitting it out to the BA internals (i know this would of course involve adding a process to consume and spit back the data at a user defined rate - i.e. faking the stream into BA internals).
Without trivialising the effort involved, it just seems to me that the design currently must support this.
Betfair want US to pay THEM a license fee if we want our users to record or playback their data, however collected. No change in policy since this was last raised.
I'm meeting them again in a couple of weeks, so can raise it again. But I'm expecting the same answer.
I'm meeting them again in a couple of weeks, so can raise it again. But I'm expecting the same answer.
that would be great if it were a topic on the table.Euler wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 10:45 amBetfair want US to pay THEM a license fee if we want our users to record or playback their data, however collected. No change in policy since this was last raised.
I'm meeting them again in a couple of weeks, so can raise it again. But I'm expecting the same answer.
The way I see this is that any incentives that retain customers must all be for the good. I do of course appreciate that BF will be paranoid about data being captured freely and then distributed for profit outside the BF charging schemes. But come on, anyone with a will has been doing this since Adam was a lad!!
Obviously without a proposal of sorts, it will of course be a cocktail conversation with BF, but would be nice if there were a few folks chipped in with comments that would strengthen Peter's case, if he were to raise it.
Anyway, thread - enjoy your annual outing!!
It seems quite acceptable if I use my own recorded data on my own programs (Which I do every day, obviously that data is strictly for my own use and cannot be shared) but I cant use my own recorded data on Betangel?
Strange decision ?
ditto... In total reality, you could say that BA has complete freedom to provide a bespoke data specification for information that is agnostic to its origin or content. This approach would satisfy the criteria of not sharing data for reuse or further distribution.