Anton Kreil - Institute of trading.
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steven1976
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To be fair peter if the comment Jeff highlighted were aimed at mugsgame, I remember he use to always give you credit where it was due. I'm sure he's called you the top dog at one point.
Oh no, not this again! 
Look, do you really think this forum is enriched by your nasty comments about Steve?!?
BTW, he most definitely didn't use this forum to, as you put it, 'spam his website'.
As for the followers being gullible, some of them are now making decent profits, yet you insult them despite knowing nothing about them. Don't you think that's presumptuous?
Look, do you really think this forum is enriched by your nasty comments about Steve?!? BTW, he most definitely didn't use this forum to, as you put it, 'spam his website'.
As for the followers being gullible, some of them are now making decent profits, yet you insult them despite knowing nothing about them. Don't you think that's presumptuous?
oscar123 wrote:Of course he did steven, he was using his forum to spam his website and recruit all his gullible followers.
Didn't think it would take long for you to reply Jeff! No I don't think I enrich the forum, nowhere near as much as you do with your 6400 odd posts.
I'm not insulting everybody, it's just my opinion. You seem to hero worship every trader that has a blog. I think you are the most gullible of the lot.
It often amazes me Jeff how you ever got into the world of sports betting and trading. You don't seem to know anything about football, horses or the markets in general and don't seem to have any opinions of your own, just rely on stupid quotes from famous traders or traders with a public profile and go on about discipline and psychology being the answer to everything.
I don't know how successful mugs or his followers are, I have no idea, and the truth is Jeff, neither do you. You just seem to believe everything you are told or read without questioning it.
I know I could be wrong. But it's just for balance. I'm not doubting, or have no reason to doubt that he was once a successful trader, but watching the videos and reading the blog, I just don't see it.
Some people on here who post you can tell by what they write that they know what they are talking about and are clearly very successful in their trading and what they do. I have just never seen him as one of them.
He just comes across to me as someone who is making far more money talking about trading and telling people how to trade than actually trading. How successful he has been in the past is irrelevant in my opinion. The game gets harder and changes all the time, a big winner one year is breaking even the next, it happens all the time.
Though I'm sure you are going to dissect everything that I've wrote and put up counter arguments and go on about horrible , jealous and mean spirited I am and how I ruin the forum with my cynicism and bad vibes!
It's just an opinion Jeff, that's all, neither of us know the truth.
I'm not insulting everybody, it's just my opinion. You seem to hero worship every trader that has a blog. I think you are the most gullible of the lot.
It often amazes me Jeff how you ever got into the world of sports betting and trading. You don't seem to know anything about football, horses or the markets in general and don't seem to have any opinions of your own, just rely on stupid quotes from famous traders or traders with a public profile and go on about discipline and psychology being the answer to everything.
I don't know how successful mugs or his followers are, I have no idea, and the truth is Jeff, neither do you. You just seem to believe everything you are told or read without questioning it.
I know I could be wrong. But it's just for balance. I'm not doubting, or have no reason to doubt that he was once a successful trader, but watching the videos and reading the blog, I just don't see it.
Some people on here who post you can tell by what they write that they know what they are talking about and are clearly very successful in their trading and what they do. I have just never seen him as one of them.
He just comes across to me as someone who is making far more money talking about trading and telling people how to trade than actually trading. How successful he has been in the past is irrelevant in my opinion. The game gets harder and changes all the time, a big winner one year is breaking even the next, it happens all the time.
Though I'm sure you are going to dissect everything that I've wrote and put up counter arguments and go on about horrible , jealous and mean spirited I am and how I ruin the forum with my cynicism and bad vibes!
It's just an opinion Jeff, that's all, neither of us know the truth.
Not at all, your post gave me a good chuckle (genuinely)!oscar123 wrote: Though I'm sure you are going to dissect everything that I've wrote and put up counter arguments and go on about horrible , jealous and mean spirited I am and how I ruin the forum with my cynicism and bad vibes!
I meditate these days, and the beauty of that is that, whilst I still get pissed off occasionally (as I did last night with your mean spirited post), stuff that once would have had me fuming and tied up in knots for hours a year ago generally just goes 'whoosh' over my head!
You should try it yourself (genuinely), as I sense you carry anger around in you, which can only be damaging for you and the people around you.Peace and love.
Jeff
Haha! Thank You Ghandi, I shall bare that in mind!
Perhaps you should set yourself up as some sort of spiritual advisor Jeff? Maybe that is your calling? Maybe that is where you will make your million!
You do seem very well qualified to do so, far better qualified than to be a professional trader.
I'm sure with the right kind of profile and following that there is good money to be made! A lot of the big firms in America all hire spiritual gurus to work with their stressed out angry and unproductive staff!
Good luck to you Jeff.
Perhaps you should set yourself up as some sort of spiritual advisor Jeff? Maybe that is your calling? Maybe that is where you will make your million!
You do seem very well qualified to do so, far better qualified than to be a professional trader.
I'm sure with the right kind of profile and following that there is good money to be made! A lot of the big firms in America all hire spiritual gurus to work with their stressed out angry and unproductive staff!
Good luck to you Jeff.
Bearing things in mind is a route to never ending procrastination (note spelling).oscar123 wrote:Haha! Thank You Ghandi, I shall bare that in mind!
Do it or accept that you'll go through life making the same mistakes. Believe me, I know.
And yes, I realise that you were being sarcastic/passive aggressive, and you have no intention of becoming a nicer/happier person (although maybe offline you are a nice guy), but hopefully someone will benefit from this exchange. You may want to carry around the burden of your negative emotions, but some people want to be happy. And btw, don't confuse cynicism and critical thinking.
Anyway, feel free to have the last word. Take your best shot.
Admins - Is there a way of blocking people in the forum? As on Twitter, I really don't want to waste my time with trolls, and would love it if I could just block them and leave them talking to themselves!
Jeff
Admins -
Can we make a rule that Mugs and his courses are no longer mentioned in the forum?
The bitchiness towards someone whose only crime is to offer coaching for traders lowers the tone of the forum. I don't want this forum to become like other forums I won't name...
Jeff
Can we make a rule that Mugs and his courses are no longer mentioned in the forum?
The bitchiness towards someone whose only crime is to offer coaching for traders lowers the tone of the forum. I don't want this forum to become like other forums I won't name...
Jeff
I did actually go to the trouble of googling my bares and my bears, though still managed to get it wrong!
I was actually being genuine in taking on board what you said, its something i know i need to work on. Though to me psychology and discpline etc isnt the difference between winning and losing, its the difference between winning and winning big.
I was also being genuine in suggesting that maybe you could make a lot of money in a different field. You are clearly an intelligent man Jeff, it would be of no surprise to me at all if you were to make a million, though i would be absolutely shocked to bits if you were to make it trading/gambling.
Namaste!
I was actually being genuine in taking on board what you said, its something i know i need to work on. Though to me psychology and discpline etc isnt the difference between winning and losing, its the difference between winning and winning big.
I was also being genuine in suggesting that maybe you could make a lot of money in a different field. You are clearly an intelligent man Jeff, it would be of no surprise to me at all if you were to make a million, though i would be absolutely shocked to bits if you were to make it trading/gambling.
Namaste!
Admins -
Can we make a rule that Anton Kreil and his courses are no longer mentioned in the forum?
The bitchiness towards someone whose only crime is to offer coaching for traders lowers the tone of the forum. I don't want this forum to become like other forums I won't name.
Can we make a rule that Anton Kreil and his courses are no longer mentioned in the forum?
The bitchiness towards someone whose only crime is to offer coaching for traders lowers the tone of the forum. I don't want this forum to become like other forums I won't name.
There's no comparison between constantly having digs at someone who's a member of this forum - including insulting his integrity and the intelligence of people here who have attended his courses - and responding to a post asking for information about a financial trader who's unconnected to this forum.oscar123 wrote: Can we make a rule that Anton Kreil and his courses are no longer mentioned in the forum?
How would you feel if you were Mugs? Would you enjoy being ridiculed like the kid who's picked on at school because he's different in some way?
Jeff
Ive said nothing about mug that you havent said about Anton.
You cant expect everybody just to say nice positive things about other people all the time. Especially if you are guilty of ranting and raving at other poeple yourself, youve got to expect a bit back.
If you are going to build up a public profile like that and then start whoring yourself out, trying to lure 8-10 men a month back to a hotel for some sort of £300 a pop trading gang bang, then i think you will get some criticism from the keyboard warriors,whether that is deserved or not. You will also,as is the case here, get a lot of support from people on the other side. Just like on amazon, all the products get good reviews and they get bad reviews, you cant expect everyone to just say good positive things all the time. I think he gets far more good press than bad, im just offering an alternative view, thats all.
I know ive probably over done it and really shouldnt have bothered, but its nothing personal, just offering an opinion, just like you did on Anton. I just didnt like the way he went about it from the start, it all seemed very fishy to me, but i will be the first to admit that i could have the wrong end of the stick and his intentions are and were purely innocent.
As for how he feels, i would say that he is rubbing his hands at the prospect of getting 8 more recruits in to pay him £300 a day for his wisdom, where im sure you would argue that he is in fact rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of 8 fresh faces that he can nurture and help along on their way to becoming successful traders.
As with most things, the answer is probably somewhere inbetween.
p.s no hard feelings this end either Jeff. I genuinely wish you well.
You cant expect everybody just to say nice positive things about other people all the time. Especially if you are guilty of ranting and raving at other poeple yourself, youve got to expect a bit back.
If you are going to build up a public profile like that and then start whoring yourself out, trying to lure 8-10 men a month back to a hotel for some sort of £300 a pop trading gang bang, then i think you will get some criticism from the keyboard warriors,whether that is deserved or not. You will also,as is the case here, get a lot of support from people on the other side. Just like on amazon, all the products get good reviews and they get bad reviews, you cant expect everyone to just say good positive things all the time. I think he gets far more good press than bad, im just offering an alternative view, thats all.
I know ive probably over done it and really shouldnt have bothered, but its nothing personal, just offering an opinion, just like you did on Anton. I just didnt like the way he went about it from the start, it all seemed very fishy to me, but i will be the first to admit that i could have the wrong end of the stick and his intentions are and were purely innocent.
As for how he feels, i would say that he is rubbing his hands at the prospect of getting 8 more recruits in to pay him £300 a day for his wisdom, where im sure you would argue that he is in fact rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of 8 fresh faces that he can nurture and help along on their way to becoming successful traders.
As with most things, the answer is probably somewhere inbetween.
p.s no hard feelings this end either Jeff. I genuinely wish you well.
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steven1976
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Someone obviously respects mugsgame to get him involved in that Betfair app promotion a while back! 
I didnt get the recomendation and Im guessing Jeff didn't. I dont know whose good idea it was to try and promote the exchanges, but i doubt they would use people that couldn't back up what they do.
I didnt get the recomendation and Im guessing Jeff didn't. I dont know whose good idea it was to try and promote the exchanges, but i doubt they would use people that couldn't back up what they do.-
convoysur-2
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might i suggest that geff and oscar pm each other,
reading this reminds me why i dont watch soaps, you both sound like 2 little spoiled bitches,
get a life,,
reading this reminds me why i dont watch soaps, you both sound like 2 little spoiled bitches,
get a life,,
Hi Marc
You could possibly have phrased that more constructively.
I have no gripe with Oscar - and I've PMed him to say 'hope there are no bad feelings'.
I was merely expressing an opinion about the way he was sniping at Mugs. I've been the figure of fun who everyone laughs at many times in my life, so I know it's not much fun being on the receiving end of that kind of cr@p, and I speak out when I see it happening to someone else.
Jeff
You could possibly have phrased that more constructively.
I have no gripe with Oscar - and I've PMed him to say 'hope there are no bad feelings'.
I was merely expressing an opinion about the way he was sniping at Mugs. I've been the figure of fun who everyone laughs at many times in my life, so I know it's not much fun being on the receiving end of that kind of cr@p, and I speak out when I see it happening to someone else.
Jeff
convoysur-2 wrote: you both sound like 2 little spoiled bitches,
get a life,,