BETDAQ XSP

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andyfuller wrote: As for the T&C's on the new XSP I have to say I was not impressed by them though T&C's are never great reading so hopefully in practice it is better - I guess we have to give it a fair try.
I thought they pretty much echoed Betfairs own SP terms to be honest and I'm guessing their algorithm will be the same. Maybe they just want to distance their t&c's as far away from BSP to avoid any legalities of copying someone elses product. Each of their terms could easily be found within Betfairs too.

Only term I didn't like was the fact they're bringing palpability into the exchange model, seems to suggest they'll be major players in the market and not willing to take any risks with their cash.
26.10 If for any reason Betdaq returns XSP prices it deems to be palpably different to the expected odds for a given market, the company reserves the right to void all bets on that particular selection or market in relation to XSP bets.
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Here's the first set of SP's from BQ compared to BF:

Marshgate Lane BQ: 3.53/ BF: 3.61
Stetchworth 4.72/4.8
Street Artist 5.35/5.5
Gaelic Silver 7.14/6.52
Spiritual Star 9.03/9.84
Robert The Painter 20.1/20.2
Woofie 62.4/53.8

More variation than I expected...thought?
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99.86% book, wonder if they've engineered to be as close to 100% as possible, guess we'll see throughout the day.

I'd guess the amounts matched are very low at the moment so should be pretty close to the final market prices.
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I imagine not many people are using it at the moment.
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The later races were a lot closer.

Spoke to BQ earlier and they confirmed that although the 2% thing has gone, they are continuing on with the 50% discount for Bet Angel users. So that's something. Will leave me around the 2% mark, I think I can live with that.

You can't seem to select the SP condition manually for bets placed via the API - I guess a condition would be useful - perhaps in the same way that the KEEP option is selected at present (via the settings menu).

I'm sure Peter is on the case - did you know XSP was on the way or was it as big a surprise as it was to me?
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As far as I'm aware the 50% discount is due to finish at the end of May. Have they said they will be extending it beyond this point?
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I just got an email saying it's being extended to cover 2016

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Yes, me too! Fantastic news. I'm definitely sticking with Betdaq as long as they keep this up.
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Thread bump rather than start a new one:

Does anyone know if Betdaq publish historic XSP prices and/or have a sample? If not I will start collecting next week / might email them, very interested to see how it compares to Betfair.
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LinusP wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:14 am
Thread bump rather than start a new one:

Does anyone know if Betdaq publish historic XSP prices and/or have a sample? If not I will start collecting next week / might email them, very interested to see how it compares to Betfair.
I've downloaded a few from here in the past but yet not checked for accuracy, if you are able to scrape the whole lot I wouldn't mind a dump of it if possible?
https://www.betdaqtips.com/xsp-returns-november-2018/
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Dallas wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:03 pm
LinusP wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:14 am
Thread bump rather than start a new one:

Does anyone know if Betdaq publish historic XSP prices and/or have a sample? If not I will start collecting next week / might email them, very interested to see how it compares to Betfair.
I've downloaded a few from here in the past but yet not checked for accuracy, if you are able to scrape the whole lot I wouldn't mind a dump of it if possible?
https://www.betdaqtips.com/xsp-returns-november-2018/
Perfect! Scraping should be easy but cleaning that up and linking to betfair id’s Is going to be fun, I will let you know how I get on.
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I've done some work in this area so I'll post up. Can't do immediately, but bump the thread and I'll post them up when I can.
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LinusP wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:45 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:03 pm
LinusP wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:14 am
Thread bump rather than start a new one:

Does anyone know if Betdaq publish historic XSP prices and/or have a sample? If not I will start collecting next week / might email them, very interested to see how it compares to Betfair.
I've downloaded a few from here in the past but yet not checked for accuracy, if you are able to scrape the whole lot I wouldn't mind a dump of it if possible?
https://www.betdaqtips.com/xsp-returns-november-2018/
Perfect! Scraping should be easy but cleaning that up and linking to betfair id’s Is going to be fun, I will let you know how I get on.
Good stuff, I'd be more than happy with just grabbing a copy of them all in one worksheet if that's possible to work with myself at a later time :)
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Dallas wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:17 pm
LinusP wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:45 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:03 pm


I've downloaded a few from here in the past but yet not checked for accuracy, if you are able to scrape the whole lot I wouldn't mind a dump of it if possible?
https://www.betdaqtips.com/xsp-returns-november-2018/
Perfect! Scraping should be easy but cleaning that up and linking to betfair id’s Is going to be fun, I will let you know how I get on.
Good stuff, I'd be more than happy with just grabbing a copy of them all in one worksheet if that's possible to work with myself at a later time :)
Ended up being a bit tricker than expected due to Betdaq uploading about 50 different versions of the same spreadsheet but this is what I have managed to get:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnnwfu172ye1w ... p.csv?dl=0

(note that a few SP's are 0)
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LinusP wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:28 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:17 pm
LinusP wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:45 pm


Perfect! Scraping should be easy but cleaning that up and linking to betfair id’s Is going to be fun, I will let you know how I get on.
Good stuff, I'd be more than happy with just grabbing a copy of them all in one worksheet if that's possible to work with myself at a later time :)
Ended up being a bit tricker than expected due to Betdaq uploading about 50 different versions of the same spreadsheet but this is what I have managed to get:

(note that a few SP's are 0)
Thanks for that Liam, that's saved me a ton of time
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