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Euler wrote:
That shouldn't matter as all commission paid is displayed in your account area on Betfair so you just base it off that figure.
Are you talking about the premium-chargespage? Or are there other pages with ongoing totals? The PC page one just does the last week figures using the implid/pid comms figure.

I do calcs during the week to see if I need to step on on any comm generating activity and it just calcs by using the pnl figures, comes out exact for the UK stuff etc but AUS stuff is charged at 6.5 & 7 etc so doesn't tally up. Never out by a massive amount just annoying they don't provide the info needed to do proper calcs.
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Euler
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OK, if you do them during the week there isn't much on BF to help you.

When they introduced PC I was already way over the lifetime limit so it's just a retrospective numbers game for me.
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I don't follow form on horse-racing but I tried dutching the field at most of this afternoons races to get a feel for it. £25 stakes per race at 2, 3 or 4 ticks above current back odds for all runners about 10 mins before the off. Some races I filled completely for a quid or two profit. Most races got filled about 60-70%. Didn't let any bets go in-running. Ended up with a £15 profit - woohoo!! Ok, not very scientific and you miss the steamers and drifters but it's surprising what you learn from watching these markets. I wanted to checked points statement afterwards. 0 or single figure points for each race - so not much adding to commission and implied comms.

Without giving your system away what stakes do you use for dutching?
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tees wrote: I wanted to checked points statement afterwards. 0 or single figure points for each race - so not much adding to commission and implied comms.

Even though you might not rack up commission points any commission paid is taken into account for PC charge calculations, the comm points are just for your discount rate. Like Peter says the more comm churning you do the lower you can get your comm rate and the easier it becomes once your implied comms for losses are higher than your wins.

The main one to avoid is going in higher than the 40% rate if you're close to paying as it's not that hard to get yourself >10% by arbing/churning, a lot easier than trying to churn 60% comms each week that's for sure.
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I've notice since British Summer Time commenced there has been a slight discrepancy between my PC and my own accounts.

I've always treated the start of the PC week as midnight Sunday/Monday GMT (23:00)...

Bugger!!! Just realised as I'm writing this it should be 01:00, that would explain the discrepancy. :oops:
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tees wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:57 pm
I don't follow form on horse-racing but I tried dutching the field at most of this afternoons races to get a feel for it. £25 stakes per race at 2, 3 or 4 ticks above current back odds for all runners about 10 mins before the off. Some races I filled completely for a quid or two profit. Most races got filled about 60-70%. Didn't let any bets go in-running. Ended up with a £15 profit - woohoo!! Ok, not very scientific and you miss the steamers and drifters but it's surprising what you learn from watching these markets. I wanted to checked points statement afterwards. 0 or single figure points for each race - so not much adding to commission and implied comms.

Without giving your system away what stakes do you use for dutching?
Think this should of been on the dutching thread, :)

Nice work though, in my view dutching is under estimated, now with BA pro, the tools are there to pull together consistent profit over time.
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:03 am
tees wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:57 pm
I don't follow form on horse-racing but I tried dutching the field at most of this afternoons races to get a feel for it. £25 stakes per race at 2, 3 or 4 ticks above current back odds for all runners about 10 mins before the off. Some races I filled completely for a quid or two profit. Most races got filled about 60-70%. Didn't let any bets go in-running. Ended up with a £15 profit - woohoo!! Ok, not very scientific and you miss the steamers and drifters but it's surprising what you learn from watching these markets. I wanted to checked points statement afterwards. 0 or single figure points for each race - so not much adding to commission and implied comms.

Without giving your system away what stakes do you use for dutching?
Think this should of been on the dutching thread, :)

Nice work though, in my view dutching is under estimated, now with BA pro, the tools are there to pull together consistent profit over time.
You're replying to a post that's two years old, before the dutching thread was created. :)
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:14 am
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:03 am
tees wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:57 pm
I don't follow form on horse-racing but I tried dutching the field at most of this afternoons races to get a feel for it. £25 stakes per race at 2, 3 or 4 ticks above current back odds for all runners about 10 mins before the off. Some races I filled completely for a quid or two profit. Most races got filled about 60-70%. Didn't let any bets go in-running. Ended up with a £15 profit - woohoo!! Ok, not very scientific and you miss the steamers and drifters but it's surprising what you learn from watching these markets. I wanted to checked points statement afterwards. 0 or single figure points for each race - so not much adding to commission and implied comms.

Without giving your system away what stakes do you use for dutching?
Think this should of been on the dutching thread, :)

Nice work though, in my view dutching is under estimated, now with BA pro, the tools are there to pull together consistent profit over time.
You're replying to a post that's two years old, before the dutching thread was created. :)
Holy moly... :lol:
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