Las Vegas Gun Attack

[BetScalper]

It wouldn't be possible to sort out the gun problem in the USA due to the following....

- There is no gun register. It's not like the UK whereby the Government/Police know what legally held firearms an individual has. Even if they banned them tomorrow, how would they enforce it. There is not enough Police / Soldiers to search every property looking for firearms. Legally that would mean mass search warrants which no judge is going to sign off on. Also, many have stockpiled firearms and ammunition in underground bunkers in the desert and other remote locations.

And to cap it all I would like to see them try and disarm Texas. You would end up with civil warfare. In that state machine guns and rocket launchers are allowed to be owned by anyone passing an FBI on-line background check.

Many are not aware but one of the reasons behind the 2nd Amendment was to allow citizens to take up arms against the Government if needed.

Don't forget that not everyone lives in New York, allot live in very remote areas with the Police around 2 hours away. Home invasions in these areas are very high so people need a way of protecting themselves and property.

It's very easy for Piers Morgan and others to say ban them. But if you don't know who has what or how many then how on earth are you going to do it in a vast country like the USA ? It was easy in the UK and Australia as the Police had records of each gun owned and the serial number.

Illegal Drugs are banned but look how easy they are to get.

Estimates suggest there are over 300 Million unregistered guns in the USA. It would take 100 + years to find and document them. And how much would that cost ?

[jimibt]

It wouldn't be possible to sort out the gun problem in the USA due to the following....
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tbh, it wouldn't be possible due to there being a combination of no will and no incentive. the issue (problem) is deep rooted in the very fact that you state i.e - the 2nd amendment was passed in order to regulate government. we live in (hopefully) more enlightened times with nearly 250 years passing since the civil war. maybe the immediate aftermath of that event having passed will allow the US to reappraise the rationale presented for the 2nd amendment - doubtfully yours....

[BetScalper]

It wouldn't be possible to sort out the gun problem in the USA due to the following....
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tbh, it wouldn't be possible due to there being a combination of no will and no incentive. the issue (problem) is deep rooted in the very fact that you state i.e - the 2nd amendment was passed in order to regulate government. we live in (hopefully) more enlightened times with nearly 250 years passing since the civil war. maybe the immediate aftermath of that event having passed will allow the US to reappraise the rationale presented for the 2nd amendment - doubtfully yours....

Agreed...

But as far as I know you cannot change the constitution unless ALL 50 states agree. Removing gun rights would not be something Texas, Nevada, Alaska, Florida and many other states would allow. You would end up with another North v South disagreement. And we all know what happened last time.

Having said that, they did manage to limit Firearms ownership in New York.

However, I do find it rather strange that one can own a working rocket launcher or buy dynamite with a drivers licence.

[MickelC]

The end result of this will be..... more people going out and buying more guns, to 'protect' themselves.

Ok and why not should I buy a gun to defend me and my family. I consider this as a part of constitution.

[deansaccount]

The end result of this will be..... more people going out and buying more guns, to 'protect' themselves.

Ok and why not should I buy a gun to defend me and my family. I consider this as a part of constitution.

As a responsible gun owner, with children, I assume this will be locked away somewhere extremely secure?

[ajdal]

I've read enough on forums to realise Americans will never give up their guns and that is their prerogative... It's a scary thought that the next nut job now has to get to ridiculous death figures to become infamous.... I love the fact that I've hardly ever seen a gun, and no-one I know owns one... can you just imagine the carnage in some of those recent attacks if those automatic guns had been acquirable over here.

[to75ne]

Ok and why not should I buy a gun to defend me and my family. I consider this as a part of constitution.

not in the UK. The right to keep and bear arms is not legally or constitutionally protected in the United Kingdom, so i am assume your not British.

[BetScalper]

They shouldn't have to give up their guns and nor will they. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions would willingly take on Law Enforcement and the government to protect their rights.

The USA has a different culture and history compared to Europe and elsewhere.

Depending on the state anyone without a criminal record can apply and obtain a class 3 firearm (fully auto) if he/she wishes too.

Switzerland and Austria have some serious firepower available to their citizens too. But unlike the USA they don't seem to have mass killings. One reason could be that America has a HUGE drug problem.

But don't forget how big the USA is. Allot of people live in the sticks with the Police around 2 hours away. If you get a home invasion then you need something to protect yourself, family and property with.

Where do you think the term WILD WEST comes from ?

[cyxstudio]

It wouldn't be possible to sort out the gun problem in the USA due to the following....
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tbh, it wouldn't be possible due to there being a combination of no will and no incentive. the issue (problem) is deep rooted in the very fact that you state i.e - the 2nd amendment was passed in order to regulate government. we live in (hopefully) more enlightened times with nearly 250 years passing since the civil war. maybe the immediate aftermath of that event having passed will allow the US to reappraise the rationale presented for the 2nd amendment - doubtfully yours....

Actually from what i heard the real intention of the 2nd amendment is for the United States to be able to quickly raise an army when they need one since during the early days of the US they have no standing army, hence why it specifically mention " a well regulated militia"

[Kafkaesque]

Of all the topics where nothing good will ever come of debating it, this would be it. Especially online.

FWIW, like most Europeans I'm baffled by the American situation regarding guns (despite spending a year deep in the heart of Texas as a teenager). However, the internal debate over there is bad enough. Nothing good will ever come from foreigners barging in. They'll have to come to terms with it and deal with it in their own time. For now, we'll always be ignorant foreigners, who should mind our own business, to the pro-gun voice.

On a lighter note, I feel this speaks volumes about the mindset: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09 ... open-fire/

[ajdal]

Didn't take long for the next one... truly awful... the headlines will be all about the number dead, but so many lives will be painfully affected for years by this horrendous act... so sad.

[LeTiss]

The worst thing is, it's become so commonplace that it's losing the shock value - 26 dead, yet many of the papers are focusing on the 'paradise papers'

[EyePeaSea]

The worst thing is, it's become so commonplace that it's losing the shock value - 26 dead, yet many of the papers are focusing on the 'paradise papers'

Ultra rich or powerful people, failing to abide by the spirit of the tax laws - that's uncommon? I assume that there was absolutely nothing else to report; no cats stuck in trees, no charity cake sale on Lundy Island etc.

[Euler]

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... al-n727221