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Ferru123 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm
I disagree.

All a successful trader is doing is executing a plan. Some will know what their rules are on a conscious level - with others, it will be an algorithm that they aren't consciously aware of, which they might call intuition or a feel for the markets. But either way, it's about following a plan, not on relying on a mysterious sixth sense that's been honed through thousands of hours of practice. Otherwise, bots would be rubbish at trading.

If you knew Peter's algorithm, you could replicate his success.
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:24 pm
There is no 'secret sauce' when it comes to trading - it's mainly skill and judgement that can't easily be passed on.
An algorithm by definition is a process or set of rules to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, especially by a computer. The human brain doesn't do algorithms, that's what makes our brains more powerful then microprocessors - we are able to ignore rules, assess every situation and use our intelligence to make a better decision.

The simply plan that most traders execute is to open trades that you think have a better or significantly better chance of moving in your favour than not, plain and simple. You can replicate somebody's bot but you can't replicate his brain functions.
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DRED1 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:12 pm
You're spot on Ruthless Simon
Theyre both as bad as each other.
DR
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Let's put it this way. If Peter were to post an unedited video of a day of his trades, it wouldn't be too long before people copied him and the edges disappeared.

We can quibble about what an algorithm is, but it is indisputable that humans can and do follow plans. And if you can model a successful person's modus operandi, in time you can replicate their success.

See http://nlp-mentor.com/nlp-modeling/

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A world champion chess player may be following a plan. Every move he makes in every game is documented and you have access to it, you know everything he's done. I've even read books by Gary Kasparov explaining in detail his thinking behind each move, it may have improved my game (or at least my understanding of the Sicilian Defence), but I don't have any chess trophies.

The same applies to trading, plastering, brick laying, painting, etc. You can learn from watching somebody, but you won't replicate what they do if any skill is involved.
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:21 pm
The same applies to trading, plastering, brick laying, painting, etc. You can learn from watching somebody, but you won't replicate what they do if any skill is involved.
Yet I bet you won't be posting an unedited video of a day in the trading life of Derek anytime soon. :)

If you're a painter and you teach someone how to paint a house, it's not going to do you any harm, unless you and the person you're teaching both live in a small town and are competing for business.

But trading Betfair is like fishing in a small lake. If you're bringing in a much bigger haul than the other fishermen, you're not going to teach them the secrets of your success as:

- It would be self-defeating. If just a couple of them become as good as you, it could seriously reduce your haul.

- The lake may soon be devoid of fish if they apply your techniques well (especially if they teach their mates their new knowledge).

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I don't think you understand what I'm saying Jeff - teaching somebody what you know will not make them as good as you.

The reason I'm not posting a video of a typical day's trading is that I don't think anyone would be interested in it - I'm not the trader that everybody aspires to emulate.

When I mentioned painting I was referring to art work, not painting a house, although I now realise it was preceded by two building trades.

Trading on Betfair is not fishing in a small lake; it's fishing in a gigantic lake, so big there are markets that nobody has time for, which is probably why I make money on US racing.

There must be thousands of traders that are better than me and make substantially more money. Another thousand wouldn't bother me, and if I ever join their ranks, it won't impact on their profits either.
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Hello Derek,

Would you be able to post up some videos?

Thanks, Lucy :)
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What sort of video do you have in mind, Lucy ?
Iron
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Can you put some funky music as a backdrop on your video please?

It would be quite surreal if it sounded like a 70s porn video! 😂
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I'll start work on it right away, anything to please the BA trading community. :D
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I think the people arguing against passing on knowledge make valid points, but are disregarding two very significant factor (as long as we're talking 1-on-1 tutoring/mentoring, not full access only videos).

One, assuming you're not teaching some random Joe you met at the coffee shop, but someone who's shown potential and/or an aptitude for skills relevant to trading, then teaching someone else will nearly always teach you something about yourself. As a person, as a trader, in many ways. You may well see new angles when forced to (re)examine your own approach in a way that'll make it understandable to someone below your own skill level. It's been a huge plus in my experiences as a mentor.

Two, if the tutoring sticks and the pupil finds success, you'll have a fantastic sparring partner. Yep, they can be found anyway, but here there'll be inate understanding, because of the previous, close work together.

Those two factors far outweigh of adding one more sharp mind to a fairly vast pool of them.
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Derek, tomorrows GB racing markets would be fantastic. I think you said US racing as well? They would be great too.

Rather than Jeff's suggestion, I'd prefer a voice over.

Thanks, Lucy :)
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I can do a porn video with 70's funky music in the background (low volume) and a voice over whilst demonstrating trading on UK racing, but I don't think I can have it ready by tomorrow. Give me till the end of the week. :)
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I think Peter should start adding porn music to his videos.

It would cetainly be a great way of reaching out to people who otherwise wouldn't watch a trading video!
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Kafkaesque wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:19 pm
I think the people arguing against passing on knowledge make valid points, but are disregarding two very significant factor (as long as we're talking 1-on-1 tutoring/mentoring, not full access only videos).

One, assuming you're not teaching some random Joe you met at the coffee shop, but someone who's shown potential and/or an aptitude for skills relevant to trading, then teaching someone else will nearly always teach you something about yourself. As a person, as a trader, in many ways. You may well see new angles when forced to (re)examine your own approach in a way that'll make it understandable to someone below your own skill level. It's been a huge plus in my experiences as a mentor.

Two, if the tutoring sticks and the pupil finds success, you'll have a fantastic sparring partner. Yep, they can be found anyway, but here there'll be inate understanding, because of the previous, close work together.

Those two factors far outweigh of adding one more sharp mind to a fairly vast pool of them.
Excellent post Kafkaesque, teaching someone else something often leads to a much deeper understanding of the subject by the teacher.
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