Living in London

[northbound]

It's one thing making money off people who choose to gamble it (and could have spent it on food if they needed to), it's quite another to let people starve/freeze to death and walk past their bodies on the street.

In theory there should be a difference, yes. In practice, there is none. Because certain inequality mechanisms are deeply ingrained in everything human.

[BetScalper]

All the homeless people in the UK should descend on Windsor for the wedding.

Then the rest of the UK, Europe and the World will see what the UK really is all about.

I always found it odd and disgusting that when they built the stadium for the Olympics that they put lots of homeless people on trains to get them out of London. Many of which landed in Brighton with nothing. Council are not interested in helping them for one reason or another.

I don't consider the UK to be a rich country.

If it is then it has no flipping morals whatsoever.

[Trader Pat]

The homeless issue isnt as black and white as it seems. People generally think if you give a homeless person somewhere to live then the problem is solved but in a lot of cases its not.

When I was younger I started volunteering for a homeless charity here in Dublin. Speaking to the homeless it becomes very clear very quickly that there is a lot of addiction and mental illness. Hostels have a strict no drink no drugs policy so most addicts dont really have a choice but to stay on the street. When the really cold snap hit here a few months back 2 homeless men were found dead in sleeping bags in doorways one just around the corner from the government buildings, the really tragic thing is both of these men refused hostel accomodation in the days leading up to their death because they were alcoholics and needed to drink. Governments here and in the UK need to do more to battle addiction in homeless shelters and then there is mental illness which is another broad spectrum of problems with few solutions for the poor souls who find themselves on the street.

[SeaHorseRacing]

I’m a trader and the number 1 reason I will be moving out of the UK in a few years... is because of Islam. Nothing else to be said from me.

Good luck to the Royal Family in about 30 years. As the future progresses our inventions and technologies should be pushing away from religion but somehow it’s going the other way.

[max_usted]

My response was overly confrontational, I accept that

However, PC has become incredibly dangerous. In a 'free' country, the 2 things which define freedom are -
A) Having the freedom to form your own opinions about things
B) Having the freedom to voice those opinions

PC is oil and water to those freedoms, as it brainwashes and gags people

The situation with the Muslim community sums that up perfectly, hence why when we see situations like Rotherham and Telford, there is an elephant in the room, in the sense we are not allowed to comment on the rapists being Muslim

London is full of Mosques, it has a Muslim Mayor, and many don't like the way the city is descending into becoming something akin to Pakistan

My apologies if you find that offensive

PC is a vexed term. Some of the people objecting to "PC" are objecting to the removal of their apparent right to be mindlessly rude. As an example, I was born in 1978, very prematurely, and as a result I have cerebral palsy. My mum was told, minutes after my birth, that I would be "a cabbage" by a doctor.

Setting aside that verdict on someone with a degree from LSE and a professional career of several decades, let's consider the language.

I don't think that language was acceptable then, and neither is it now.

Is that PC?

No that is *politeness* - i.e. behaviour that is behaviour that is respectful and considerate of other people.

People who would commonly be described as being 'politically correct' are often very impolite in terms of their behaviour - i.e. they show zero interest in being respectful and considerate of other people, in fact the ideology actually gives license to adherents' most boorish impulses.

Therefore it is important that the terms are clearly distinguished - pretending that Political Correctness is in fact a substitute for standards on individual politeness is very wrong and gives PC adherents justification for their religious zealot-style behaviour and boorishness.

I'm very firmly in the Le Tiss camp, I loathe PC more than anything else. Garbage. I believe that Political Correctness (the ideology) has and will be highly deleterious to British standards of politeness, social discourse and society in the long run.

And by the way, I am *polite* (but not Politically Correct) myself and do very much believe in politeness where you are not familiar with whomever you are talking to.

[SeaHorseRacing]

My response was overly confrontational, I accept that

However, PC has become incredibly dangerous. In a 'free' country, the 2 things which define freedom are -
A) Having the freedom to form your own opinions about things
B) Having the freedom to voice those opinions

PC is oil and water to those freedoms, as it brainwashes and gags people

The situation with the Muslim community sums that up perfectly, hence why when we see situations like Rotherham and Telford, there is an elephant in the room, in the sense we are not allowed to comment on the rapists being Muslim

London is full of Mosques, it has a Muslim Mayor, and many don't like the way the city is descending into becoming something akin to Pakistan

My apologies if you find that offensive

What bothers me isn't what you say or how you say it but rather the flaws in the arguments. Rapists are rapists because they are rapists, not because they are one religion or another. This is another type of fallacy: a hasty generalization. Whether they are muslims or not is beside the point.

I spend A LOT of time in London and have seen less Mosques than I can count on one hand, but even if there is a rise in Mosque numbers - why does it matter? You talk about a 'free' country, and define it with 2 points; but I would argue there's more to it than that. Doesn't 'freedom of religion' belong in that list as well? and yes, London does have a muslim Mayor, but should that be his defining quality? Shouldnt he be judged based on merit rather than which being he chooses to believe in?

Im not asking you to be PC mate nor am I offended, I dont give a shit. I'd rather win you over to the idea that people are generally okay: whatever creed they may hail from and that there's usually more than meets the eye.

The Koran insights hate speech in nearly every verse. People who are religious and worship the book, follow the book.

80 years ago this country when into two word wars, which killed millions in order to keep our freedom of speech and live the life we want to. Islam does not allow this.

The mayor of London has opened a centre staffing 100s to tackle in line “hate crime”
Internet’s and social media been around nearly 20 years now... haven’t seen a rise in internet hate terrosim.

Whilst teenagers are shooting each other across the streets. One problem of this religion is it takes away real priorities.

How ridiculous is it that someone who is a believer in Islam won’t eat bacon or wont eat meat unless halal- basically Tourtured.

I don’t eat lamb because I don’t like the taste not because what some book tells me. Ablsoute insanity going on in this world right now.

No one talks about it because it’s possible some crazy worshipper will come and say “allaakbar” before they cut your head off for saying it.

I have a pretty shit argument I know.

[brimson25]

I don't disagree with any of that (on politeness).

People on both sides - those who define themselves as PC and those who define themselves against it - abuse the term.

To be very clear, I'm in favour of people being able to say and think whatever they wish. I am absolutely intolerant of a society which implicitly permits people to describe me, or anyone else as a vegetable. Not because I have the right not to be offended (I don't, and neither does anyone else) but because of the not so oblique message coded INTO that language - that I am, lesser, and dehumanised. Racial terms work in the same way.

But, something has changed since the 70s. Language like that to which I have attested has become less common. I know. I have lived through it. Why? Is that connected in anyway to "political correctness" as a broader ideology? Maybe, maybe not.

Some things have changed for the better.

[SeaHorseRacing]

If anyone was to ever do the research. Sweden was once known as the safest country in the world. In fact in the top 5.

Over the last 10 years they have taken a significant amount of immigrants.

Their capital city now has one of the highest rape capitals in the world.

I get it and I understand- most people are fine. And yes it the minority’s causing the problem.

Look at it this way.

Most of us are capable to have a drink and drive. But there are laws in place because a few will will drink, drive and kill.

We have non religious rapists, murderers and terroists all over the world.

The problem we have is usually the local non religious rapist who has a raped a kid probably did so because he was raped as a child.

The problem we have with this religion.

When you get a nutter. It’s ok to blow yourself up, cut heads off,rape children. Eat tortured meat. Throw gays off a building.

Can you see where I am getting at.

We have scum all over the world but when we get one who follow a book it is frightening.

[SeaHorseRacing]

Rant over.

London has fallen. I’m only 30 used to go regularly as a kid. Was a wonderful place.

It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited. Ever been to New York City at night in the bronx. London feels like that during the day.

[max_usted]

The mayor of London has opened a centre staffing 100s to tackle in line “hate crime”
Internet’s and social media been around nearly 20 years now... haven’t seen a rise in internet hate terrosim.

The most clear threat to online freedom is being openly vaunted by the government right now. When we leave the EU, we will no longer be governed by EU legislation. Current EU legislation provides that internet platforms (such as this one) are not liable for any illegal third-party content posted (until they have actual knowledge that that content has posted, i.e. after the act).

The government/Theresa May have openly stated that they wish to change this when we leave the EU. This could mean that forums such as this one have to pre-moderate every single comment before it goes live. They will have to otherwise they will be liable for criminal/other prosecution if anyone posts anything illegal.

If so, it will likely become the case that all posts that counter prevailing orthodoxy will be removed, because sites won't want to be liable for them. This is the means through which the current government wants to gain control of the flow of information.

No-one seems to have noticed or care, and it's very worrying in fact.

[SeaHorseRacing]

I agree Max.

I could give 100 reasons why I am out of this country.

[Trader Pat]

I agree Max.
I could give 100 reasons why I am out of this country.

As a matter of interest where you thinking of going to?

[ShaunWhite]

Where you moving to shr? Are you going to be seeking asylum or being an ecomomic migrant?

[mobius]

Sesame St. ?

[sa7med]

Rant over.

London has fallen. I’m only 30 used to go regularly as a kid. Was a wonderful place.

It’s now possible the worse city I have ever visited. Ever been to New York City at night in the bronx. London feels like that during the day.

Funnily enough I happen to be a New Yorker and I've been to playgrounds there that are more dangerous than anywhere ive been in London. Can't see how you'd say that considering New York's homicide rate is 3x London's. Maybe you should move to the Bronx :p Let me know I've got some pals who could hook you up! East Side!