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We looked at how others had implemented it and have done our best to improve that by covering all angles and then some. As previously discussed there are still issues with the way this sort of thing works. But we did it anyhow as it seemed a popular request.
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LeTiss wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 pm
I'll be interested to see how accurate it is mate. I'm assuming you've trailed it and are happy with the results. I'm struggling to see how you can know when somebody in front of you has withdrawn their money, or how the dreaded XM affects the fill rate
I don't think there's any way of knowing whether cancelled bets are ahead or behind you in the queue. I guess the algorithm could take a conservative view that it's behind, or a probability view depending on how far up the queue you are.
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I think its very useful as is as a general guide. For my purposes I don't want to be joining the existing queue if there is say >= £3K sitting there on one side or the other. In such a case I am more likely to want to jump in front, depending on how much is sitting on the other side and vice versa etc.

Ofcourse, if the mad bomber or Peter is about then it doesn't really matter what side you are on. If your on the opposite side then more than likely your going to get run over by a steam roller and need to leg it to the toilet asap. :lol:
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Euler wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:13 pm
We looked at how others had implemented it and have done our best to improve that by covering all angles and then some. As previously discussed there are still issues with the way this sort of thing works. But we did it anyhow as it seemed a popular request.
Will it be available in the next version?

Well done for making the effort to add this in.
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:44 pm

Will it be available in the next version
Yes it’s in the v1.51.1 beta that was released today
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BetScalper wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:42 pm
Ofcourse, if the mad bomber or Peter is about then it doesn't really matter what side you are on. If your on the opposite side then more than likely your going to get run over by a steam roller and need to leg it to the toilet asap. :lol:
When did the mad bomber last trade?

Certainly hasn't been around for a while.
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:37 pm
BetScalper wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:42 pm
Ofcourse, if the mad bomber or Peter is about then it doesn't really matter what side you are on. If your on the opposite side then more than likely your going to get run over by a steam roller and need to leg it to the toilet asap. :lol:
When did the mad bomber last trade?

Certainly hasn't been around for a while.
I was joking. :)
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Euler wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:13 pm
We looked at how others had implemented it and have done our best to improve that by covering all angles and then some. As previously discussed there are still issues with the way this sort of thing works. But we did it anyhow as it seemed a popular request.
OK, this is the scenario I am clearly talking about

A) £1000 stakes wanting to get matched at odds 2.22
B) I go in behind them with another £500 - there's now £1500 waiting to be matched, and my PIQ settings shows £1000 ahead of me
C) Somebody else then follows in behind me with another £500 - there's now £2000 waiting to be matched, and my PIQ setting still shows £1000
D) Nothing has been matched, but somebody withdraws £500 from the queue

E) How does BA know where that £500 has been taken from - was it the guy at the back, or was it part of the £1000 ahead of me?

I can't see how you could possibly predict that with any accuracy
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I've got the v1.51.1 beta version.

I'm in live mode, but I can't see any PIQ info showing. Is there a setting I have to change?

Thanks in advance.
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It's not on by default you have to add it as a column on the ladder settings.
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:06 am
I've got the v1.51.1 beta version.

I'm in live mode, but I can't see any PIQ info showing. Is there a setting I have to change?

Thanks in advance.
You need to go to settings tab at the top.
Then go the ladder section
Open up the editor
Then go to the 'unmatched' section - you can tick the boxes there
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:09 am
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:06 am
I've got the v1.51.1 beta version.

I'm in live mode, but I can't see any PIQ info showing. Is there a setting I have to change?

Thanks in advance.
You need to go to settings tab at the top.
Then go the ladder section
Open up the editor
Then go to the 'unmatched' section - you can tick the boxes there
Got it. Thanks.
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I may be forced to eat my words.

I have been trying this out on the Ryder Cup markets, and it turned out to be pretty darn accurate.

On reflection, it's quite a nice addition for manual traders - it gives a good guide, as to whether you need to bail out, or sit tight
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:03 am
OK, this is the scenario I am clearly talking about

A) £1000 stakes wanting to get matched at odds 2.22
B) I go in behind them with another £500 - there's now £1500 waiting to be matched, and my PIQ settings shows £1000 ahead of me
C) Somebody else then follows in behind me with another £500 - there's now £2000 waiting to be matched, and my PIQ setting still shows £1000
D) Nothing has been matched, but somebody withdraws £500 from the queue

E) How does BA know where that £500 has been taken from - was it the guy at the back, or was it part of the £1000 ahead of me?

I can't see how you could possibly predict that with any accuracy
You are not able to predict that, I would guess that the person behind you is more likely to remove it than the person in front of you but that would only be a guess.

In fast moving markets like horse racing this is not much of an issue, I can see on slower markets with much larger amounts in the queue that scenario would be a bigger issue.

You just have to use it as a guide but it is much better than nothing in my opinion. On a horse market I can be trading several runners, some I switch in and out of view and some I will have placed bets at numerous positions to get queue position so having the ability to see PIQ is a huge help, for example on a position I may have placed say 3 minutes ago. Even if it is an estimate I find it worth its weight as trying to manually do the same job with multiple trades it is near impossible.
LeTiss wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:25 pm
I may be forced to eat my words.

I have been trying this out on the Ryder Cup markets, and it turned out to be pretty darn accurate.

On reflection, it's quite a nice addition for manual traders - it gives a good guide, as to whether you need to bail out, or sit tight
Let us know how you find it after a few more days and on other markets. As long as you use it as a guide and not set in stone it has its place. You can now go to the loo or put a brew on and come back and have a good idea of where you are :)
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:03 am
Euler wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:13 pm
We looked at how others had implemented it and have done our best to improve that by covering all angles and then some. As previously discussed there are still issues with the way this sort of thing works. But we did it anyhow as it seemed a popular request.
OK, this is the scenario I am clearly talking about

A) £1000 stakes wanting to get matched at odds 2.22
B) I go in behind them with another £500 - there's now £1500 waiting to be matched, and my PIQ settings shows £1000 ahead of me
C) Somebody else then follows in behind me with another £500 - there's now £2000 waiting to be matched, and my PIQ setting still shows £1000
D) Nothing has been matched, but somebody withdraws £500 from the queue

E) How does BA know where that £500 has been taken from - was it the guy at the back, or was it part of the £1000 ahead of me?

I can't see how you could possibly predict that with any accuracy
You're right, software can't possibly predict that, but if it assumes the money was behind you then your PIQ would indicate the maximum amount that could be in front of you, which is still useful information.
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