Step-By-Step Examples How to Set Automation Signals

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jaketarn
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So for example taking your template "Close if in loss over 10 seconds". If I create a back and lay rule along with a couple of conditions I really don't need the "set modify a signal only" rule to be triggered 100 times and the second one to be set 1000 times? Is once on each sufficient?

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jaketarn wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:19 pm
So for example taking your template "Close if in loss over 10 seconds". If I create a back and lay rule along with a couple of conditions I really don't need the "set modify a signal only" rule to be triggered 100 times and the second one to be set 1000 times? Is once on each sufficient?

Thanks
No that rule needs to trigger and set a signal each second your in a loss so you need enough triggers to cover this, and because it can be reset an number of times during the market this also needs to be set to a high number of triggers
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Right gotya thank you Dallas
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Niko
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Quick one, assume you can use the lay part of the rule to trigger another rule without having a Set/Modify seperate rule condition? I want a rule to be set once the lay bet fires! thanks!
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Niko wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:33 am
Quick one, assume you can use the lay part of the rule to trigger another rule without having a Set/Modify seperate rule condition? I want a rule to be set once the lay bet fires! thanks!
Yes a signal can be set upon any rule triggering (set/modify signal rule only needs to be used if a signal is required without an existing rule triggering)
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Niko
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By Jove I think I've got it!! 😂
DaVinche14
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Hi guys would like to pick your brains.. signals are the only thing I struggle to get my head around on guardian!

In tennis, fixed/relative are for 'current' set/game etc. Is there a way to open a trade based on a previous set e.g. Previous set won 6 - 1 then back 'x'

Thanks in advance :)
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DaVinche14 wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:14 pm
Hi guys would like to pick your brains.. signals are the only thing I struggle to get my head around on guardian!

In tennis, fixed/relative are for 'current' set/game etc. Is there a way to open a trade based on a previous set e.g. Previous set won 6 - 1 then back 'x'

Thanks in advance :)
There's a bot that Dallas created that does something similar to this.
http://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopic ... 51&t=14252

it would need to be changed so that instead of pts won in a game, it'd be games won in a set. (Under the Conditions tab -> Tennis Fixed Score Condition)
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welshboy06 wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:20 pm
DaVinche14 wrote:
Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:14 pm
Hi guys would like to pick your brains.. signals are the only thing I struggle to get my head around on guardian!

In tennis, fixed/relative are for 'current' set/game etc. Is there a way to open a trade based on a previous set e.g. Previous set won 6 - 1 then back 'x'

Thanks in advance :)
There's a bot that Dallas created that does something similar to this.
http://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopic ... 51&t=14252

it would need to be changed so that instead of pts won in a game, it'd be games won in a set. (Under the Conditions tab -> Tennis Fixed Score Condition)
Thank you for that. I'll pick that bot apart and see if I can adapt the signal 👌🏾
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Bunchie3174
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Any chance you can show examples of how to set signals and place them in the correct positions to prevent losses?
For instance, show a simple offset bot that will green up when a loss is incurred. It's these losses that crucify my bank so I want to get them sorted.
The 'values' field seems a variable but what does it refer to? Minutes, occurrences, odds, money?
It seems placement in the order of rules is important, this needs explaining. Do you have to put a signal rule in 'before' a 'greening' rule? Is a signal rule contained within a greening rule?

I can set up a bot to place bets but I haven't managed to get any bot to behave when i want to set a safety net to cut losses. I'd welcome a 101 on setting up failsafes, or where the answers lie. I've tried everything I can find on the forum but nothing seems to be working. Just again a bot failed to cut out a losing position and let the losses run.
Any assistance welcome.
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Bunchie3174 wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 2:46 pm
Any chance you can show examples of how to set signals and place them in the correct positions to prevent losses?
For instance, show a simple offset bot that will green up when a loss is incurred. It's these losses that crucify my bank so I want to get them sorted.
The 'values' field seems a variable but what does it refer to? Minutes, occurrences, odds, money?
It seems placement in the order of rules is important, this needs explaining. Do you have to put a signal rule in 'before' a 'greening' rule? Is a signal rule contained within a greening rule?

I can set up a bot to place bets but I haven't managed to get any bot to behave when i want to set a safety net to cut losses. I'd welcome a 101 on setting up failsafes, or where the answers lie. I've tried everything I can find on the forum but nothing seems to be working. Just again a bot failed to cut out a losing position and let the losses run.
Any assistance welcome.
Signals aren't needed to set stop losses although they can be used in certain situations ie, to delay it triggering due to spikes in prices etc
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11954

When creating any stop loss / stop rule it is never guaranteed 100% on in-play markets due to the in-play betting delay and voliatility, for example if you have backed a horse and it falls you will encur a total loss - no stop loss or rule can do anything about it.

There are some general Profit/loss target bots you can download
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11407

but if you have a specfic idea for one or circumstance you want to use it and it can be done just post up the details and ill add an example
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Bunchie3174
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Thanks, I'll study those links.
The example I was think of is my 3rd place drifter bot. It usually works fine, generally on longer races, but on my £2 stake a 3rd place horse may have a liability of £12-18 depending on odds. I thought my greening rule would catch any horse that looked like it would finish strongly and green/red up for a £1.50-2.00 loss. Where I'm stuck is getting the bot to recognise this is happening. It seems to overlook the greening rule, stopping it out around £3-5 for example. I can take small losses as the overall hit rate is 65-70% but a big liability hit hurts.
This is a version of the .baf for a 4th place drifter showing what I've tried to achieve (or not) with signals
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Bunchie3174 wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 5:57 pm
Thanks, I'll study those links.
The example I was think of is my 3rd place drifter bot. It usually works fine, generally on longer races, but on my £2 stake a 3rd place horse may have a liability of £12-18 depending on odds. I thought my greening rule would catch any horse that looked like it would finish strongly and green/red up for a £1.50-2.00 loss. Where I'm stuck is getting the bot to recognise this is happening. It seems to overlook the greening rule, stopping it out around £3-5 for example. I can take small losses as the overall hit rate is 65-70% but a big liability hit hurts.
This is a version of the .baf for a 4th place drifter showing what I've tried to achieve (or not) with signals
I wont have time to actually look at the bot till later but all thats needed is a green up rule that uses a green all profit condition is less than -£2
The set it to trigger at least 3 times with a minimum rearm time of 2 secs
(Which is what the link above does and from your description what yours sort of does already)

But if the price crashes in at the closing stages then although the rule will trigger it may not be matched due to price falling so fast.
The safest and only thing you can do in these situations is green up and close your position before these closing stages
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Bunchie3174
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Thanks for the feedback, I'll give it a go
formratings
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if I want to set multiple lay offset bets
I can set offset to 1 tick but want it to fire multiple times
using fill / kill with 10 sec delay
1 batch
I can set trigger to 1000
But only fire when previous lay is offset matched

how would I do that
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