EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

[ShaunWhite]

Some interesting early charts in the upcoming Euro election 'Most Seats' market

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It's a shame so many people are going to vote for a pressure group rather than parties with fully rounded policies that cover wider and far more important issues. The frustration is understandable but tragically naive as to the consequences.

[firlandsfarm]

It's a shame so many people are going to vote for a pressure group rather than parties with fully rounded policies that cover wider and far more important issues. The frustration is understandable but tragically naive as to the consequences.

If you are voting to show you want to be out of the EU then that will be your most important issue because it affects just about everything else and if we do leave the EU then all else in the UK EU Election manifestos will be irrelevant!

[BetScalper]

Some interesting early charts in the upcoming Euro election 'Most Seats' market

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It's a shame so many people are going to vote for a pressure group rather than parties with fully rounded policies that cover wider and far more important issues. The frustration is understandable but tragically naive as to the consequences.

Shaun,

Not a criticism but a question. Which party in the UK has fully rounded policies ?

I think that’s the main problem, none of them do which means many will be forced to vote for one extreme or the other.

Personally I think the Labour Party voted in the wrong brother. He was as centre as you could probably get but is probably glad he never won the internal leadership contest and by all accounts is doing great work outside of politics.

If he was to come back then I am sure many (including me) would vote him into Number 10 ASAP.

Problem many of us have where we live is the fact that the EU and now our own Parliament is basically not fit for purpose in the 21st century etc.

[ShaunWhite]

Shaun,

Not a criticism but a question. Which party in the UK has fully rounded policies ?

I think that’s the main problem, none of them do which means many will be forced to vote for one extreme or the other.

Personally I think the Labour Party voted in the wrong brother. He was as centre as you could probably get but is probably glad he never won the internal leadership contest and by all accounts is doing great work outside of politics.

If he was to come back then I am sure many (including me) would vote him into Number 10 ASAP.

Problem many of us have where we live is the fact that the EU and now our own Parliament is basically not fit for purpose in the 21st century etc.

What I mean't by fully rounded was that they have policies that span economic affairs, education, defence, the welfare system, industrial policies etc...the whole 9 yards.. ie all the things that will need to be business as usual however we leave.....and lets face it for most people, being out won't change their life one bit. Even immigration will be the same or 'worse' as we'll just have people from far flung cultures rather than mostly from our cultural neighbours.

I agree with you about the wrong brother. I feel politically isolated for the first time in my 40 voting years (although a vote round here is always a vote wasted). I'd love a Labour party I could vote for again but out of my red, green and gold options I'll probably have to go 'green' not because they might win, but because the environment is the only real issue with life and death consequences and needs to be front and centre. Everything else seems futile.

[BetScalper]

Shaun,

Not a criticism but a question. Which party in the UK has fully rounded policies ?

I think that’s the main problem, none of them do which means many will be forced to vote for one extreme or the other.

Personally I think the Labour Party voted in the wrong brother. He was as centre as you could probably get but is probably glad he never won the internal leadership contest and by all accounts is doing great work outside of politics.

If he was to come back then I am sure many (including me) would vote him into Number 10 ASAP.

Problem many of us have where we live is the fact that the EU and now our own Parliament is basically not fit for purpose in the 21st century etc.

What I mean't by fully rounded was that they have policies that span economic affairs, education, defence, the welfare system, industrial policies etc...the whole 9 yards.. ie all the things that will need to be business as usual however we leave.....and lets face it for most people, being out won't change their life one bit. Even immigration will be the same or 'worse' as we'll just have people from far flung cultures rather than mostly from our cultural neighbours.

I agree with you about the wrong brother. I feel politically isolated for the first time in my 40 voting years (although a vote round here is always a vote wasted). I'd love a Labour party I could vote for again but out of my red, green and gold options I'll probably have to go 'green' not because they might win, but because the environment is the only real issue with life and death consequences and needs to be front and centre. Everything else seems futile.

Your not the only one who feels isolated Shaun. Many are and are being driven to political extremes. And lets face it, who could blame them.

DM has hinted that he is willing to come back into UK politics but the labour party would not want him in its current form.

He his living in upper New York and earning $360,000 per year doing what he loves and making a difference. Who the hell would want to give that up to come back to a political nightmare that his old party doesn't want.

For him to even hint at the fact that he would come back speaks volumes of the person. If i were him then I would stay where I was and live the rest of my life out knowing i was making a difference.

One thing is for sure, he wont come back while Corbyn, Thornberry, Cooper and Abbot are tugging the strings!!!

[ShaunWhite]

Your not the only one who feels isolated Shaun. Many are and are being driven to political extremes. And lets face it, who could blame them.

Personally the more extreme it's become the more I've moved back to the centre. And judging by the LD resurgence in the council elections I'm not the only one. The ends of the bell curve rarely hold the answers, so hopefully the disorganised shambles at both extremes will splinter and gray boring politics can resume as normal.

[sionascaig]

From a local activist (in Edinburgh), from 5 days of door to door canvassing to determine voter intentions over the last 8 days (so several hundred visits):

- only 1 person found that said they will vote conservative
- only 1 person found was a Brexit supporter
- no one supporting the Change party or Ukip
- the area that did contain a significant number of Brexit supporters is now totally remain

Early indications looks like annihilation for any Brexit supporting party in Scotland...

[Euler]

The Brexit party will almost certainly crush the European elections as they don't really matter and the populace is in 'let's punish the politicians'.

The key to this is understanding how that influences things from there.

[superfrank]

Mike Greene is the Brexit Party candidate for the Peterborough by-election - a self-made millionaire from a humble background who has previously donated £250k to local charities in Peterborough. Sounds like a good bloke to me. We need more people in the HoC who have been successful in real life, not career politicians who've never had a proper job.

The deal between the Lib Dems, Green Party and Change UK to field a single Remain candidate has apparently been called off. Another attempt to subvert democracy typical of the leftist loser brigade.

[ShaunWhite]

The deal between the Lib Dems, Green Party and Change UK to field a single Remain candidate has apparently been called off. Another attempt to subvert democracy typical of the leftist loser brigade.

?Leaving or remaining isn't a left/right issue. That's sort of the whole point.

And the idea that 'real' people rather than politicians should run the HoC is naive in the extreme, politics is nothing like business in any way, shape or form. How many businesses do you know that are run by having their employees vote, businesses are dictatorships with short term goals. Trump is proving that when you have to work with other people it's very different.

[ShaunWhite]

the populace is in 'let's punish the politicians'.

...if any were political historians they'd know that's never worked and it never will. They're just punishing themselves by trying to be 'clever' about a very complex situation. I'm starting not to care how much these people are screwing themselves, i'm alright Jack.

[jimibt]

The deal between the Lib Dems, Green Party and Change UK to field a single Remain candidate has apparently been called off. Another attempt to subvert democracy typical of the leftist loser brigade.

?Leaving or remaining isn't a left/right issue. That's sort of the whole point.

And the idea that 'real' people rather than politicians should run the HoC is naive in the extreme, politics is nothing like business in any way, shape or form. How many businesses do you know that are run by having their employees vote, businesses are dictatorships with short term goals. Trump is proving that when you have to work with other people it's very different.

yes, the notion/interpretation that it is a right wing/ left wing divide had never seriously occurred to me before (there are nutters that belong to both camps). scary that someone not keen on the remain viewpoint should air that thought by way of example!!

[greenmark]

UKIP and the Conservatives have leafleted me re: EU elections by name/address. I have never had any involvement with either.

[BetScalper]

UKIP and the Conservatives have leafleted me re: EU elections by name/address. I have never had any involvement with either.

They have been buying mailing lists on a grand scale and then using software to try and identify possible voters.

[Naffman]

I've had Brexit Party and UKIP leaflets, what a waste of money of course I'll vote for one of you