Horse Racing - Standard Times
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spreadbetting
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The RP standard times list is supposed to beLinusP wrote:The problem with the times from the RT is that they are the fastest times, I have all of timeforms data scraped and can provide a dump if needed.
"Racing Post Flat standard times, compiled by Topspeed (Dave Edwards), should be achievable in a truly-run race by a mature horse rated 100 carrying 9st on good going (zero going correction). "
Fair enough, here are the times from timeform, there are definitely some anomalies in here so I have added 'RACE_COUNT' to help filter. Races from '2009-01-14 12:50:00.0' to yesterday.spreadbetting wrote:The RP standard times list is supposed to beLinusP wrote:The problem with the times from the RT is that they are the fastest times, I have all of timeforms data scraped and can provide a dump if needed.
"Racing Post Flat standard times, compiled by Topspeed (Dave Edwards), should be achievable in a truly-run race by a mature horse rated 100 carrying 9st on good going (zero going correction). "
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8gc4bkemjoytd ... .xlsx?dl=0
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Scraped a list of times from the Racing Post a while ago, Dumbass that I am, I forgot to include the year, but I think it was 2014/2015. Has nearly 11,000 races but no going details.
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Do the published standard race timings take into consideration the recent race starting changes in jumps races i.e. a trotting/cantering start, as opposed to the previous standing start, or the fact that racecourse ground staff seem to be unaware of the effect of rails movements, over watering, omission of hurdles/fences, false ground, harrowing, track alterations, current/previous weather conditions, current going conditions, track maintenance/re-design, and even the actual distances run in each race - considering many haven't even actually physically measured them in the last several years?
Some flat races are actually run at between 8 and 105 yards different distances to those stated on our race-cards. So where does the confidence in timings come from?
Do the published standard timings take all of these factors into account? If they do, they they have miraculous insight. If not, they're useless.
Some flat races are actually run at between 8 and 105 yards different distances to those stated on our race-cards. So where does the confidence in timings come from?
Do the published standard timings take all of these factors into account? If they do, they they have miraculous insight. If not, they're useless.
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ricardodeano
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Thank you all very much for the information, most appreciated
I'm surprised that times are not split into going as well?
I've gathered a years worth of data at different course from live data, i.e. from in-play to suspended. But haven't tidied it up yet, but part of that was to look at the variability of times.
I've gathered a years worth of data at different course from live data, i.e. from in-play to suspended. But haven't tidied it up yet, but part of that was to look at the variability of times.