Lay the Field Guardian Automation Bot

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redbasil
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hi,

im wondering if it is possible to lay the field pre off in the place market for any horse inbetween a certain price? ie any horse that is priced between 2.0 and 3.0 at post time?

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redbasil wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 pm
hi,

im wondering if it is possible to lay the field pre off in the place market for any horse inbetween a certain price? ie any horse that is priced between 2.0 and 3.0 at post time?

regards
Yes, condition as above but use 2 x fixed odds conditions
one to say back price is greater than 2.0
the other less than 3.0
redbasil
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Cheers Dallas

im unable to download the files as it says its a different version so im starting from scratch... ive opened the lay the field option and put in the times but cannot find where to put my stake liability and price parameters in ? also im trying on betdaq so may be the reason i cannot open the files

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redbasil wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 2:18 pm
Cheers Dallas

im unable to download the files as it says its a different version so im starting from scratch... ive opened the lay the field option and put in the times but cannot find where to put my stake liability and price parameters in ? also im trying on betdaq so may be the reason i cannot open the files

regards
The staking and price your placing the bets at are all done on the 'Parameters' tab
redbasil
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in the parameters tab all i have is a place at fixed stake button which is greyed out and a single price adjustment dial by the side and below that a liability button below which i can set to my liability to.

i have found the fixed odds conditions and set my prices but not sure how to get it to bet on any horse and not by row or named horse, is that achieved by clicking the current not set button?
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redbasil wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 2:52 pm
in the parameters tab all i have is a place at fixed stake button which is greyed out and a single price adjustment dial by the side and below that a liability button below which i can set to my liability to.

i have found the fixed odds conditions and set my prices but not sure how to get it to bet on any horse and not by row or named horse, is that achieved by clicking the current not set button?
I've done the first for you here, just duplicate that till you have one for all selections
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redbasil
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Hi Dallas thanks for that.

I was using the lay all selections tab hoping I could do it for the entire field instead of individually.
I'm doing it for upto 15 runners so I'm guessing I repeat this 15 times just changing the row number?

Sorry this is in prime trading time

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redbasil wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 3:27 pm
Hi Dallas thanks for that.

I was using the lay all selections tab hoping I could do it for the entire field instead of individually.
I'm doing it for upto 15 runners so I'm guessing I repeat this 15 times just changing the row number?

Sorry this is in prime trading time

Kind regards
Yes thats correct
SabaiSabai
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Hi Dallas,

I would like to use this bot, but with a reduced liability and thus a greater potential profit.
And the best way is to lay the field or rather part of the field at lower odds
and still not "miss" any horse running low in odds.

Is it possible in Guardian automatically to place a"trailing bet" in kind of the same way a "trailing stop" works?
So instead of trigger the lay bet on the first horse steaming in at 1.75, let it run with a trailing bet (lets say 15 ticks)
and if it runs all the way down to e.g. 1.40 and then loses stamina the lay bet will already be placed at 1.55.
And of course if a steaming horse (being the first, second or third to run low on odds) runs away from the field
with rapid decreasing odds and then wins
the lay bet on that particular steamer will never be effectuated and thus money saved
with no lay bet on the winner, (as long as it does not jump up 15 ticks on its way to the finish line...).
If possible this will be quite a fair improvement on the "Lay the Field" bot.

But the question is: Is it possible with trailing bets in Guardian?
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SabaiSabai wrote:
Mon May 28, 2018 4:26 pm
Hi Dallas,

I would like to use this bot, but with a reduced liability and thus a greater potential profit.
And the best way is to lay the field or rather part of the field at lower odds
and still not "miss" any horse running low in odds.

Is it possible in Guardian automatically to place a"trailing bet" in kind of the same way a "trailing stop" works?
So instead of trigger the lay bet on the first horse steaming in at 1.75, let it run with a trailing bet (lets say 15 ticks)
and if it runs all the way down to e.g. 1.40 and then loses stamina the lay bet will already be placed at 1.55.
And of course if a steaming horse (being the first, second or third to run low on odds) runs away from the field
with rapid decreasing odds and then wins
the lay bet on that particular steamer will never be effectuated and thus money saved
with no lay bet on the winner, (as long as it does not jump up 15 ticks on its way to the finish line...).
If possible this will be quite a fair improvement on the "Lay the Field" bot.

But the question is: Is it possible with trailing bets in Guardian?
Due to the way Betfair match bets its not something that could be done in the way you want, the closest option would be to continually store the value of the last traded price as its below 2.0 then if it trades X ticks higher than the last stored value trigger a lay.

The problem is because of the in-play betting delay and speed the odds move you would only get it matched everytime if the horse went onto win, and you will likely miss a lot of the lays where the horse loses
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downloaded this amended it slightly but i only want to apply it to handicap races - is this selectable in conditions ?? please advise
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gptuk wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:22 pm
downloaded this amended it slightly but i only want to apply it to handicap races - is this selectable in conditions ?? please advise
There isn't a condition to test for the race type, the easiest way is to sort the markets once added guardian then remove all none H'caps before applying your automation
Oscar
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Hi Dallas,
I've decided to wade out a bit further and try modifying one of your baff files, following 8 months of "free time" trading.
In theory, it's really simple, but despite reading, comparing and watching the video (on signalling in tennis) I just can't sort out the signal values.

All I want to do is create a bot which lays the field @4 (I can change this figure later) and then once this or these lay bets have been matched, send a signal to trigger the back bet @5. I only want them to be triggered if the lay bets have been matched. Couldn't be more simple, could it?

I know that I need to select "signal set condition" and call it "Layed" and when triggered, and that it's designed to trigger the back bet when it receives the signal.

I've completed as much as I can and I'm wizzing it over to you. I hope you can help me out.

Many thanks for your time.
Lay signals Back.baf
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Oscar wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:46 pm
Hi Dallas,
I've decided to wade out a bit further and try modifying one of your baff files, following 8 months of "free time" trading.
In theory, it's really simple, but despite reading, comparing and watching the video (on signalling in tennis) I just can't sort out the signal values.

All I want to do is create a bot which lays the field @4 (I can change this figure later) and then once this or these lay bets have been matched, send a signal to trigger the back bet @5. I only want them to be triggered if the lay bets have been matched. Couldn't be more simple, could it?

I know that I need to select "signal set condition" and call it "Layed" and when triggered, and that it's designed to trigger the back bet when it receives the signal.

I've completed as much as I can and I'm wizzing it over to you. I hope you can help me out.

Many thanks for your time.Lay signals Back.baf
You wouldn't actually need 'signals' for this.

On your back bet add a 'Matched bets amount condition'
to test the amount of 'Lay bets'
is equal to the following fixed amount
£X.XX (enter whatever your lay stake is)

Or use 'number of unmatched bets condition'
on selection is equal to 0
Oscar
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Hi again Dallas, and many thanks for your reply.

The reason I want to use a signal (I forgot to mention) is because I would like to use a different stake for the back bet.
I can't do that through offsetting (as far as I know) and whilst trawling through automation options, I came across "signals" which seemed to be a possible solution. Once I master the setup for this particular function, I could apply it with ease (hopefully) to other ideas. I'm sure it's a simple configuration, but one that escapes me.

Once again, thanks for your time.
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