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Dallas
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billbo001 wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:11 pm
Thanks Dallas
Could I ask you to have a look at the file when you get a chance in your busy schedule, if you would change or add any conditions or parameters to the automation?
If it's not behaving as you expect or want to make a certain change I can advise the best way to go about it, but I try not to get involved with the actual advising of what tweaks to make etc, this is something users need to figure out themselves and the only way to do so is through plenty of testing and note keeping with subtle tweaks as they go
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Thankyou, maybe just advise sir!
Swimming999
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hiya guys

need help please,how can i put a back bet after the lay bet, so its not a straight lay

please thanks
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Swimming999 wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:15 am
hiya guys

need help please,how can i put a back bet after the lay bet, so its not a straight lay

please thanks
do you mean an offset back bet against the lay bet?? or a seperate back bet on a different runner??
..your question is a bit rushed sounding :D
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hiya offset the back bet on same runner , sorry i dont explain thing properly

thank you
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nothing fancy required here, haven't seen the original rule, nor obviously your amended rule. however, you just want to select your bet type as: Offset Bet with Greening. You also want to add a fill/kill timing on that (so as only to raise the offset bet once the lay has been matched). I'd suggest a fill/kill time of about 5-8 seconds to start off and then vary as required if you find you're missing a match on the opening bet.
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thanks jim :D :D
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Dallas wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 2:47 pm
BusanMike wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 2:39 pm
I was wondering in relation to this idea. Is it possible to place an unmatched bet at say a lay price of twenty on a horse trading say at a back price less than ten before the market is inplay and then keep the bet once the race starts?

I've tried to do this on automation but it keeps just matching my bet at the horses current price.
http://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopic ... 643#p98643

Hi, very old thread, but was hoping someone could maybe help me trying to lay at higher than current odds, as per Dallas' helpful post.
My aim is to lay at a percentage higher than BSP - is this possible rather than set number of ticks? I mean, after race starts, lay a horse after it drifts a certain percentage from its actual BSP.
Thanks!
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ajm0000 wrote:
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Dallas wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 2:47 pm
BusanMike wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 2:39 pm
I was wondering in relation to this idea. Is it possible to place an unmatched bet at say a lay price of twenty on a horse trading say at a back price less than ten before the market is inplay and then keep the bet once the race starts?

I've tried to do this on automation but it keeps just matching my bet at the horses current price.
http://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopic ... 643#p98643

Hi, very old thread, but was hoping someone could maybe help me trying to lay at higher than current odds, as per Dallas' helpful post.
My aim is to lay at a percentage higher than BSP - is this possible rather than set number of ticks? I mean, after race starts, lay a horse after it drifts a certain percentage from its actual BSP.
Thanks!
If you add a 'Stored Value' condition to your 'Place Lay Bet' rule set up as shown below that will do it for you (at the very bottom just add in whatever percentage you want to use)

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Hi Dallas

in the part of the file for greening up it says fill or kill in 10 seconds.

Does this refer to initial lay or is it referring to the green up part?

If the latter, does that not mean there is a danger the green up does not occur if it is killed after 10 seconds?

Thanks
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kenfrost wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 11:23 am
Hi Dallas

in the part of the file for greening up it says fill or kill in 10 seconds.

Does this refer to initial lay or is it referring to the green up part?

If the latter, does that not mean there is a danger the green up does not occur if it is killed after 10 seconds?

Thanks
The fill/kill element only ever applies to the opening side of the bet, any offset (if placed) will remain in the market until filled or you choose to cancel it
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Thanks, that's what I thought but I just wanted to double check :)
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Hi Dallas

Thanks for this.

Just a question about the 25 ticks back bet. That is quite a large amount of ticks.

1 Does that level of ticks ever get matched (apart from when the horse is obviously going to lose)?

2 Is your thinking behind the 25 ticks to give a sizeable profit, that over a period of success will more than cover any inevitable loss as and when the back bet is not matched and the horse wins?

I ask because I am running a variation where I have a £50 lay liability but offset by a bet of just 4 ticks. This gives rise to modest profits eg £0.83 - £2 per race, but it has thusfar always been matched.

My fear though is that one day it won't be matched, and the horse will win giving rise to a £50 loss that more than wipes out the modest profits.

I would welcome your thoughts (and indeed anyone else's thoughts/opinions) on my 2 questions and my version/worry that I describe above.

Thanks for your help.
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kenfrost wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:42 am
Hi Dallas

Thanks for this.

Just a question about the 25 ticks back bet. That is quite a large amount of ticks.

1 Does that level of ticks ever get matched (apart from when the horse is obviously going to lose)?

2 Is your thinking behind the 25 ticks to give a sizeable profit, that over a period of success will more than cover any inevitable loss as and when the back bet is not matched and the horse wins?

I ask because I am running a variation where I have a £50 lay liability but offset by a bet of just 4 ticks. This gives rise to modest profits eg £0.83 - £2 per race, but it has thusfar always been matched.

My fear though is that one day it won't be matched, and the horse will win giving rise to a £50 loss that more than wipes out the modest profits.

I would welcome your thoughts (and indeed anyone else's thoughts/opinions) on my 2 questions and my version/worry that I describe above.

Thanks for your help.
The values used in all the examples are just arbitrary numbers just to set the example up which users can then change to whatever they want. I could just as easily of used 5 ticks, 10 ticks or 50 ticks when setting this up.

25 ticks is nothing on a in-play market, runners can jump up and down 50+ ticks between each refresh so if offsetting in an in-play market you'd normally want set it to far more than a pre-off market and at the same time due to lower liquidity use smaller stakes
kenfrost
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Thanks, I will give it a try using low stakes to see how it performs :)
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