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greenmark
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Newcastle is a sleeping giant.
Ashley is all about margins.
Newcastle need a big investor.
I'd love Newcastle flying up the table.
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greenmark wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:31 pm
Newcastle is a sleeping giant.
Ashley is all about margins.
Newcastle need a big investor.
I'd love Newcastle flying up the table.
That's a myth if ever there was one.

Famously they haven't won a trophy for more than 60 years. If you put it in a less accessable context, then it sounds even worse imo.

Since they last won the league, 18 different clubs have won it.

Since they last won the FA Cup, 20 different clubs have won that trophy.

IIRC they're 9th or 10th among English clubs for major trophies.

You'd be hard pressed to argue they're objectively even a top 10 club in England by historical standards. So, giant. Not so much. A big club that's lost its way, sure, but let's not get carried away. Those geordies will do that fine on their own.
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OK Kafkaesque. "A big club that's lost its way". You made good points and I probably did exaggerate. But I've always thought they have 2 important ingredients. A decent stadium (I'm told, never been myself). And loyal and enthusiastic fanbase. Obviously, they need a decent owner, investment and a good manager. And none of that is likely any time soon. Which I think is a shame for the Toon Army and football.
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Kafkaesque wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:51 pm
You'd be hard pressed to argue they're objectively even a top 10 club in England by historical standards. So, giant. Not so much. A big club that's lost its way, sure, but let's not get carried away. Those geordies will do that fine on their own.
Newcastle are a massive club. Average attendance over 51,000 and ranked 7th by attendance in the Premier League and 11,000 clear of the currently 8th ranked club Chelsea. Proper fans too. Not like the tourists and know nothing plastics that frequent Man United and some of the London clubs.

Success on the pitch is difficult because apart from Ashley they have always struggled to attract and retain top players in such a geographically remote outpost.
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Kai
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Not much point arguing on how big Newcastle is as a club, they have a large fanbase with a big iconic stadium and a good bit of history too so they are certainly big enough, they just haven't been nowhere near competitive enough in terms of football because that wasn't a priority for the current owner. My brother lives in the city and he has grown to like the Geordies, it would be a shame if such a club was being used for sportswashing purposes by the next owners. I agree that it's a sleeping giant like Liverpool was before Klopp arrived, if I was a billionaire looking to invest in football I could see very little risk in acquiring Newcastle and a huge potential upside.

As a huge Liverpool fan I can sympathize with their current situation and somewhat compare it to the Hicks & Gillett era when Liverpool was on the brink of administration and nowhere near competitive enough in terms of football. Those were some dark times for the club, with Hodgson as manager and the likes of Konchesky and Poulsen in the first eleven. Newcastle probably needs a massive win off the pitch before they can start being competitive again on it.
greenmark
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Agree with every word of that Kai. And Wolf1877 about remoteness is something I've thought plays a big part in footballers thinking. But then they could afford to live near NUFC and have a 2nd (3rd, 4th etc) home to fly off to to chill out/socialise. Maybe I'm being naive.
In any case it seems Bruce is next up.Good luck with that Steve!
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They should just flip a coin, go home, and get ready for the season :lol:
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Kai
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Man City has reached 1.50 in the Winner 19/20 market. They have strengthened their squad further while Liverpool have not.

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I notice an interesting development on Bet365 recently, that I'd love to see built into the exchanges, especially surrounding the delays with VAR.

Whenever a penalty has been awarded, rather than simply suspending the markets until it has been taken, Bet365 offer new revised prices - building in the likelihood that the team will score, but also factoring the possibility they will miss

I like this, that would be fun on the exchanges
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I spoke to Betfair about VAR recently and suggested alternative markets so that rather than the mess it's likely to cause they could use it to try and evolve things. I don't think they really understood what I was saying, but something like this from Bet365 is a smart move.
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£85m for Harry, amazing.
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Euler wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:20 pm
£85m for Harry, amazing.
Van Dijk plus 10m
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Kai
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Liverpool's entire back four was cheaper than Maguire.

Van Dijk + Robertson + Trent + Matip = £83m
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just bagged a fantastic result in the Luton v ‘Boro game, backed 3-3 at 40’s
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Euler wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:20 pm
£85m for Harry, amazing.
to be fair I’ve actually lost interest in watching the game these days for what it is, for me it’s not the same anymore, in the main players it seems these days don’t really care who they play for & playing for their country, (notably England) always feels like it’s a chore for them, £85m for a centre back is just abhorrent, he doesn’t care who he plays for, just bothered about his signing on fee & his wages,

.. as a lad there was a working mans clubs down the road from where I lived, we used to play on their (uneven boggy) pitch when they wasn’t training or playing on it, I think I got more enjoyment watching them play on a Sunday morning years ago then what I did when watching any premier league game, to which I’ve been to many, sadly the working mans club had to make way for a multiplex cinema & the pitch dig up for the car park, those were the days
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