Asianconnect88 stole my money, any help and advice appreciated

[ANGELS15]

Here in the UK there is a betting adjudicator, do you have that in Latvia?

[jamesedwards]

My last stand with a non payer was to visit their offices and sneak past security to sit in the MD's chair. I was quickly paid out after that.

This is a story we need to hear more of.

[jimibt]

My last stand with a non payer was to visit their offices and sneak past security to sit in the MD's chair. I was quickly paid out after that.

This is a story we need to hear more of.

definitely sounds like a *good* story

[weemac]

The UK adjudicator has been siding with bookies for decades. Even in the UK, one exchange has terms saying "We can void a bet at any time for any reason." The punter has no chance with rules like that, and never will.

[NatalyaU]

Sounds like a good and safe approach, Euler, to bet solely with exchanges. However, for me this is not an option, because I cannot find an exchange that provides good markets for sports that are somewhat big on the continent, like Biathlon. Betfair have markets, but only to win/top 3. Furthermore the customer base (International, but with a very solid footprint on the British Isles, where nobody would ever consider betting on Biathlon) means that both the offer and turnover is completely insignificant compared with many bookmakers catering to the Continent/Nordics.

Like several others I would love to learn more about you sneaking past security and making yourself comfortable in the MD's chair.

Fair chance you are right, x7r4zq2. Maybe I should lower my stakes substantially.

Asianconnect does not hold a Latvian license, as this is the case there is nobody in Latvia I can turn to, Angels15.

I agree, weemac. Most adjudicators are far from fair. I know that many lawyers consider rules such as the one you mentioned unenforceable. That such rules are just to one-sided and would not be upheld by many courts in Europe. The problem though is that actually taking a betting company to court is not a viable option in most cases. My case revolves around a fair bit of money, but taking legal action in the Dutch Antilles is hardly in the cards...

During the conflict resolution process run by the Curacao Gaming Board, Asianconnect have written the following:


"We asked for evidence from our upline PS3838 on how you commit manipulation as stated below.

They are working with other accounts in the system to manipulate our lines. They will push an early/weak line repeatedly, far beyond a reasonable number of bets on a match like this with one account. Then they will play the other side using other accounts at inflated odds"


The above is simply not true. I am not manipulating lines, I am not betting as part of a group. My average odds betting Komatz with Asianconnect is more or less identical to my average odds betting with other bookmakers. It is also rather similar to both Asianconnect's and bet365's opening odds.

I know for a fact that their allegation that I bet some wildly inflated odds is a pure lie. My problem is just that I am not in a position to provide proof that I was not.

For me the process is completely backwards, it should not be on me to prove my innocence, but rather for Asianconnect to prove my guilt, still I am afraid that unless I can somehow prove that what they are claiming is pure lies, I will not have much of a chance with the gaming board.

This is obviously an insane long shot, but if anyone on this forum has access to the Pinnacle odds feed (API) and have stored the odds for this Biathlon race, I would be very grateful if you could provide it to me.

Biathlon
World Cup
Canmore
Men's Sprint
15.03.2024
H2H Komatz Vs Runnalls

[jamesedwards]

Just a guess, but perhaps you've been an unfortunate victim of circumstance. Perhaps there was some big coup where people were manipulating markets and you just happen to have unknowingly bet at the same price/volume/time.

I've sometimes thought about this when you read of match-fixing coups etc. How does the bookie distinguish 100% between those in on the plot and those who just happen to have placed similar bets by chance.

It may be worth again pleading your innocence and asking for your account to be escalated for review. Perhaps if they dig into your history properly they could give your account the benefit of the doubt.

[Fugazi]

Sounds like this has all come from you pursuing a way to bet on something fairly obscure, through a less conventional method (betting agent)

As you have found out, its just a big headache not worth the hassle.

Im gubbed on all but bet365 now, I tried the agents myself but never bothered to deposit knew it would just be trouble

[FastandCurious]

I don't believe that you have done nothing wrong. It would be weird if your bets were voided for no reason.

I believe PS3838 to be operated by Pinnacle/Pinnacle Solution. I have a lot of respect for Pinnacle. I have been betting with them for decades.

I find it likelier that you have done something you are hiding from us. The information flow here is biased. You are the only one providing information.

Even so, I operate a website using Pinnacle's API. I am storing much of the odds provided by this API. I use it for model building. I have the odds histories you are requesting. Normally I would charge money to provide them. Considering the circumstances I will provide them for free.

Someone in the thread raised the question of how the bookies distinguish 100% between those in on the plot and those who just happen to have placed similar bets by chance. This is something I have also thought a lot about. The bookies can hardly know why the customers are betting something. So there must be a risk that customers get caught up in situations they are unaware of.

I would like to send you a private message, but I am unable to. Likely because I just made an account after railing for a long time. If you send me a private message with your mail, I will send you the odds histories to your mail.

I am curious and would like to look into this myself. If you provide me with some information for your Komatz-bets it would be appreciated:

The time you placed your bets
The stakes of your bets
The odds of your bets

If you don't want to do this, it is fine. I will provide the odds histories regardless.

[ilovepizza82]

Hi,

I would recommend trying this forum instead:

https://arbusers.com/

They have a good history of solving problems like yours as they are in touch with most of the agents like this.

[Kai]

Hi,

I would recommend trying this forum instead:

https://arbusers.com/

They have a good history of solving problems like yours as they are in touch with most of the agents like this.

Ye, probably a good shout, good luck OP

That's a great pun too, just realized

[NatalyaU]

Hi,

I would recommend trying this forum instead:

https://arbusers.com/

They have a good history of solving problems like yours as they are in touch with most of the agents like this.

Thanks for suggesting Arbusers!

I thought Arbusers and SBR would be the most helpful sites, but so far I have been unable to launch on any of them. When I tried to post on Arbusers, they sent me this message:

"We suggest you follow our policies about complaints and then post your complaint in our forum.

and those policies consist of following points:


1. We need to see at least 10 meaningful posts before allowing any complaint.

2. One must be a member for at least 1 month before posting a complaint.

3. For every case, only one thread is available for complaining. Multiple posts in various parts of the forum will be deemed as spam.

4. Once a complaint is resolved, members who raised the complaint must include (Resolved) in the title of their thread."


I will launch on Arbusers when I am able to, in some weeks, even as I am afraid that Curacao will have decided on the matter before that.

Regarding SBR it is strange. They blocked my account and gave me no information explaining why I am blocked.

Does anyone here have any direct contacts of people from Arbusers or SBR? I would be much obliged if someone can forward me any contact details.

As things have turned out, this forum has been the far most useful of the 10/12 forums I have started a thread asking for advise.

[Kai]

When I tried to post on Arbusers, they sent me this message:

"We suggest you follow our policies about complaints and then post your complaint in our forum.

and those policies consist of following points:


1. We need to see at least 10 meaningful posts before allowing any complaint.

2. One must be a member for at least 1 month before posting a complaint.

3. For every case, only one thread is available for complaining. Multiple posts in various parts of the forum will be deemed as spam.

4. Once a complaint is resolved, members who raised the complaint must include (Resolved) in the title of their thread."

The fact they have such posting restrictions basically tells you how common these types of things must be out there and what you're up against longer term, although they may be your best shot if they will actively fight your corner.

Hopefully you get the voided 8-9k back, but you still lost more through regular betting.

I think the bigger underlying issue would be why continue to bet large amounts if by your own admission there is no edge.

Betting in obscure/niche markets for me usually means people have a good edge there since those are a bit harder to price overall.

So might be a good time to re-evaluate things. These are not amounts that you can't get back (and then some) by betting with value etc.

[Kai]

The very fact that I am still welcome to keep placing bets with them, should make it obvious that they are not serious about their allegations, but have rather just stolen my money and made up the reasons as to why.

Bottom line you could just chalk it up as a lost bet worst case.

But still possible to find some silver lining and turn it into a "value bet" per se long term, if it forces you to re-evaluate for the better.

That's exactly what I did with my first big loss/tilt, as catastrophic as it felt and looked at the time it was probably the best thing that could have happened to me, and never looked back since.

[Tuco]

My last stand with a non payer was to visit their offices and sneak past security to sit in the MD's chair. I was quickly paid out after that.

This is a story we need to hear more of.

I was thinking exactly the same when reading that

[NatalyaU]

Thanks for the wise words, Kai. I fully agree that it is the perfect time to learn some valuable lessons when things are bad.

We seem to have a misunderstanding, I have not meant to admit that I have no edge. I know I had a good edge and still think/hope I maintain an edge.

I have made decent money betting winter sports for a long time, but the season that ended about a month ago, I only managed break even or so.

I have a net loss with Asianconnect and a net profit combined with the other 10-12 bookies I am betting with.

This is much worse than I did some years ago and the first year in a long time, I have not made an okay (in my opinon) profit. Still my profit and yield have been declining year by year. I doubt this trend is only due to luck/bad luck, I think the markets have gotten sharper.

Maybe the reason you think I have admitted to having no edge is that I have agreed with other posters that I should be betting smaller stakes, this is because I am not sure how much of my edge remains ATM. I still think I have an edge, but it is clearly not good enough to bet as large as I did last winter.

Also even as I agree that Biathlon is an obscure sport and a niche market, I maintain that people from countries where biathlon do not feature, do often not grasp how big it is in some other northern European countries

I agree that I as a worst case can chalk it up as a lost bet. However, I am not willing to do so yet. Likely I will be unwilling to do so for a very long time.

I know I have done nothing wrong, so I will chase the process to the very end with the Curacao Gaming Board, if the ruling will not be in my favour, I will keep asking for ideas/help on the forums (included ARBusers when I am able to). As a last resort, I will probably even try to get journalists interested in what has taken place, but I know there is a fair chance nobody will be the least bit interested.

The very fact that I am still welcome to keep placing bets with them, should make it obvious that they are not serious about their allegations, but have rather just stolen my money and made up the reasons as to why.

Bottom line you could just chalk it up as a lost bet worst case.

But still possible to find some silver lining and turn it into a "value bet" per se long term, if it forces you to re-evaluate for the better.

That's exactly what I did with my first big loss/tilt, as catastrophic as it felt and looked at the time it was probably the best thing that could have happened to me, and never looked back since.