Back 2 Lay the Front Runner Guardian Automation Bot

[Dallas]

If you have followed the instructions from my last post the keep bets part should be removed and not required to run the rule this way

[Johnph1]

I'm also new to this. Is there a way to aim for a % profit. I'm looking to get 20/25% if stake.
I would also like to add a stop though at similar, ie get out at maybe 25/30% loss if horse misses break.
Would a trailing stop work better for this?
Ideally bot similar to this , but for single runner, b2l, offset green for 25% profit or loss, and possibly try trailing stop.

Any advice much sppreciated.

[Dallas]

I'm also new to this. Is there a way to aim for a % profit. I'm looking to get 20/25% if stake.
I would also like to add a stop though at similar, ie get out at maybe 25/30% loss if horse misses break.
Would a trailing stop work better for this?
Ideally bot similar to this , but for single runner, b2l, offset green for 25% profit or loss, and possibly try trailing stop.

Any advice much sppreciated.

Its not possible to input a percentage figure but if you convert it to a monetery value (ie, 30% profit from £20 stakes = £6) then you can do it as detailed in this thread
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11488

There is also a DOBing automation file avaliable to download
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=11314
which uses a profit condtion as described above to green up at 100% profit so this could easily be changed to what ever you wanted then just add in the loss value or trailing stop and anything else you require

[Johnph1]

Great, thanks. I'll try that one with some changes and add the extra stop rules .
Ideally like to run this during the day while at work !
Will try in practice mode and see how it goes .

[Sicknote]

Great, thanks. I'll try that one with some changes and add the extra stop rules .
Ideally like to run this during the day while at work !
Will try in practice mode and see how it goes .

Hi was interested if you had any luck getting the automation to work with a stop loss?

[Johnph1]

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[Johnph1]

I've been using fixed €50 stake when testing this but haven't had time to really sit down and wirk out best way to do it.
There is no problem when price shortens, although I was getting stopped out earlier with too small stops, but then I realised that the stop doesn't green out, so there is basically no point in having it.
So either price shortens , offset is triggered, and BA greens up profit, or if it drifts it doesn't green out at stop so I'm left with €50 bet running in the selection.
I think I need to add another rule to stop out and limit liss to eg €25 59% loss, just need to wirk out best way to do this. I'm new to BA so appreciate any help

[Johnph1]

That is limit loss to €25 - 50%

[Dallas]

Stop losses are not really recommened in running due to the volitility of the market and in-play delay, and using a conventional stop loss once it triggers and is placed it remains at those odds untill matched.

You could add an automated monetry stop loss which still might not always stop you out but can at least be set to trigger muliple times so it can keep trying.

There is 2 ready made rules to do this which you can just copy the contents of and add to your current file
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11407
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11954

[Johnph1]

Hey dallas, been tinkerig with this with some success , but as you mentioned it seems to struggle to cash out due to the speed of the in running market. Had some nice success but then when I had the below trade , backing at 7.0 , €50 stake , it missed the profit trigger altogether and actualy ended up with -€86 even though horse traded 1.3 in running! had it to green at €40 profit ????

18/10/2016 19:52:23: Market changed to Kemp 18th Oct - 20:10 1m Hcap
18/10/2016 20:09:49: [G_Auto] : € 50.00 Back bet placed on Mountain Rescue at 7. Fully matched at 7. Ref: 77265758196
18/10/2016 20:11:08: Market has been suspended
18/10/2016 20:11:08: Market is in-play
18/10/2016 20:11:08: Market has been unsuspended
18/10/2016 20:12:22: [G_Auto] : Greened up Mountain Rescue by Laying 97.22 at 3.6
18/10/2016 20:12:23: [G_Auto] : An error occurred while cancelling bets: The entire order has been rejected.
18/10/2016 20:12:23: [G_Auto] : Cancelling bets 77266206559
18/10/2016 20:12:24: [G_Auto] : Greened up Mountain Rescue by Laying 113.67 at 2.72
18/10/2016 20:12:26: [G_Auto] : Greened up Mountain Rescue by Laying 0.48 at 3.15
18/10/2016 20:12:33: [G_Auto] : Greened up Mountain Rescue by Backing 185.89 at 1.66
18/10/2016 20:12:33: [G_Auto] : An error occurred while cancelling bets: The entire order has been rejected.
18/10/2016 20:12:33: [G_Auto] : Cancelling bets 77266237729
18/10/2016 20:12:34: [G_Auto] : Greened up Mountain Rescue by Backing 62.11 at 1.64
18/10/2016 20:12:46: Market has been suspended

[jimibt]

PeterLe (or A.N Other) produced a quite nice analysis of stop vs green vs trade expiry. From memory, IR fared very badly with a stoploss for many of the obvious reasons. However, I recall that greening to a target (especially if not too aggressive) was *not so bad* IR. That said, many on here have been campaigning for what's called reverse greening, whereby you green out at the reverse price in order to both gain more profit and also mitigate (hopefully) the mad swing that occurs when greening to price normally -i.e. the type of greening that either never happens and/or sweeps too far and generates a loss, rather than a profit.

I'm sure others (or A.N.) will add further commentary...

[Dallas]

As the log is not showing any offset bets being placed so i assume you have changed this and are greening up to a target profit or when X odds have been reached?

Did you have this market in focus (on a trading screen)? or was it being refreshed with other markets in guardian?

First thing i would do is check with Betfair for the reasons why the two orders where rejected and also get confirmation from them or your Betfair statement what times any bets/greens ups where matched with that info it should shed some more light on what happened, if you want to post those details and exactly how your green up is set it will be easier to give an accurate answer

[Johnph1]

Thanks for swift replies gents. I'll screenshot rule set up and upload it as a word doc .
Trying to tweak it and have had some decent results while testing and live with small stakes but this one has me thinking that the market is too quick, although as this shortened right down to 1.3 I thougt it would have greened up . What could help here. Any suggestions welcome.

[Johnph1]

can't upload word doc, can email to you Dallas? or I can add jpegs

[Johnph1]

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