Overcoming gambling addiction

[marketraisen]

you're asking for help

Asking for help but dismissing any advice you don't like, or preferring to look at charts simply because the graph goes up, is futile.

You are not the voice of the betangel forum and a large post count is no indicator of expertise, unless you've been through the same process of wasting trading profits on sports betting aimlessly then no I wasnt asking for your help specifically. If you are going to try and help somebody then perhaps read the other posts that have come before to get a full picture, you may have some experience with out of control gambling or handling big losses as it is what you defaulted to offering a word on but its largely un necessary, I went through all of that personally years ago, which you'd have read if you'd bothered reading the thread and not just assumed yourself the voice of authority.

I thanked everyone who gave me advice, even you, you were not the first person to reply to this thread.

[marketraisen]

it would appear that what started as a cry for help has been subverted into some sort of coverup for reasons known only to the OP

It degenerated when derek entered the thread late and appears to be angry at me for not being completely self destructive with my gambling habits and dismissing his advice, which reading back accounts to not much more than 'if it were me id quit'.

[marketraisen]

There are crossovers between betting and trading. If the definition between the two remains blurred, you'll always be fighting your demons I'm afraid.

The other end of the spectrum is where I'm at and its a problem, where I can make a big differentiation between what is considered 'trading' and 'gambling', yet I was carrying on down a road of spending money (even small amounts) in a direction with a negative expectation of a return when theres another with a positive expectation of a return.

The blurring between different moves on the exchange between whats rash and whats calculated is a sign that something is wrong but I've (so far) largely dealt with it.

As was pointed out earlier by another poster, my habits are more of a recreational gambler than a full on gambling addict, it just seems the language is loaded with connotations, people assume the worst with the right intentions.

[Derek27]

You're welcome to blame me for a degenerated thread, if that makes you feel better.

Just to be clear, I'm not angry with you for anything - don't really understand why you think I'm angry or feel I think I'm the voice of authority. I'm just giving an opinion like anyone else.

I really don't understand why you think I want you to self-destruct. I suggested seeing a gambling counsellor, is that consistent with wanting somebody to self-destruct?

My large post count is largely down to a lot of ranting and rambling, I don't choose to display it - the forum software does. I've never claimed superiority over other members because of my post count. That was a sweeping assumption on your part.

[marketraisen]

(tho the cynical side of me wonders why such a deep thread was started by the OP literally within 45 mins of joining the forum)

Missed this bit.

Specifically came to post on here because theres a higher chance of finding people who are successful or trying to be successful with automation but former/current 'punters' aswell. Obviously had to sign up to so.

I thought there might be people who had gone through something similar and there has.

[Derek27]

...unless you've been through the same process of wasting trading profits on sports betting aimlessly then no I wasnt asking for your help specifically.

You should really have made it clear from the outset that you'd like to hear from somebody with the same experience, and then I'd never have got involved in this thread.

[marketraisen]

...unless you've been through the same process of wasting trading profits on sports betting aimlessly then no I wasnt asking for your help specifically.

You should really have made it clear from the outset that you'd like to hear from somebody with the same experience, and then I'd never have got involved in this thread.

Would it have mattered? You already said you didnt read any of the thread but felt like your contribution was needed.

[Derek27]

...unless you've been through the same process of wasting trading profits on sports betting aimlessly then no I wasnt asking for your help specifically.

You should really have made it clear from the outset that you'd like to hear from somebody with the same experience, and then I'd never have got involved in this thread.

Would it have mattered? You already said you didnt read any of the thread but felt like your contribution was needed.

Can you show me where I said that?

When you think about it, it's not possible to contribute to a thread as much as I have without reading most of it - do I sound as though I'm talking to myself?

I probably skipped just over a page.

[marketraisen]

or feel I think I'm the voice of authority. I'm just giving an opinion like anyone else.

Because you also said this

If I don't understand you correctly, you can hardly blame me for that - you're asking for help, yet at the same time you're extremely evasive and reluctant to engage, but just want to post charts of what you think is progress, and criticise anyone who disagrees with you.

I'm reluctant now to engage with you as answered questions like the validity of charts showing a before/after event and the effect it can have on an outcome, such as starting a thread and stopping myself wasting money on stupid bets. I havent criticised 'anyone who disagrees' with me, you assuming as much is assuming authority because I have dismissed your 'quit it all' advice.

Its pointless going on, we're in different places with different goals and experience, I appreciate the kind thoughts on the future and wish you the same, I hope everyone who tries to improve can improve.

[SeaHorseRacing]

Is this the nicest fight I’ve ever seen?

To be fair... this was kind of one sided against the op throughout the entire thread. Reminds me of me years ago.

I think we need to be abit more supportive when offering criticism.

[Derek27]

or feel I think I'm the voice of authority. I'm just giving an opinion like anyone else.

Because you also said this

If I don't understand you correctly, you can hardly blame me for that - you're asking for help, yet at the same time you're extremely evasive and reluctant to engage, but just want to post charts of what you think is progress, and criticise anyone who disagrees with you.

I'm reluctant now to engage with you as answered questions like the validity of charts showing a before/after event and the effect it can have on an outcome, such as starting a thread and stopping myself wasting money on stupid bets. I havent criticised 'anyone who disagrees' with me, you assuming as much is assuming authority because I have dismissed your 'quit it all' advice.

Its pointless going on, we're in different places with different goals and experience, I appreciate the kind thoughts on the future and wish you the same, I hope everyone who tries to improve can improve.

I honestly don't know how I come across, whether I'm polite, arrogant, etc. I do know that people will perceive my posts in different ways, and the way you perceive me may be affected by how you're feeling or whether you agree or dislike what I'm saying.

I never advised you to quit, I just said that's what I would do, and at least another two posters have suggested the same.

I've re-read my post and still fail to see how it amounts to assuming authority. Suggesting that this thread has degenerated after I got involved does, at least indirectly, amount to criticism. I would also add that asking for advice on how to stop gambling on a platform that's largely about how to start trading successfully was bound to lead to a bumpy and polarised thread. Some people offered advice on how to trade, others were more inclined to discourage you from gambling.

[spreadbetting]

I honestly don't know how I come across, whether I'm polite, arrogant, etc. ..........

Probably a bit like this, Derek.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkZdTHmX0TQ

[LeTiss]

Not sure what's going on here, AT ALL!!

The poster opened with a desperate post "I need help"

By the time the thread reached a few pages long, he started to become quite bullish

[ShaunWhite]

Not sure what's going on here, AT ALL!!

The poster opened with a desperate post "I need help"

By the time the thread reached a few pages long, he started to become quite bullish

It's straightforward LeTiss, you can only be helped if you have an open mind to things you might be doing wrong.

When you're desperate you have an open mind to anything, pleased for people to tell you what to try and change. Turns out that the op hasn't reached that stage yet. There's also been some suggestions that a gambling forum isn't the best place to find advice about stopping gambling which seemed to go down like a lead balloon. Then there was a fuss about the fact he only gambles away money he's made from gambling (aka trading) so it's not an addiction in the usual sense. Problem, yes, addiction, no.

It's been a bit of a storm in a teacup really, you haven't missed much. If the thread had been called "I piss away my profits" it would have been less controversial than "overcoming gambling addition".

[Trader Pat]

I'm reluctant now to engage with you as answered questions like the validity of charts showing a before/after event and the effect it can have on an outcome, such as starting a thread and stopping myself wasting money on stupid bets. I havent criticised 'anyone who disagrees' with me, you assuming as much is assuming authority because I have dismissed your 'quit it all' advice.

Its pointless going on, we're in different places with different goals and experience, I appreciate the kind thoughts on the future and wish you the same, I hope everyone who tries to improve can improve.

I've already given my 2 cents worth on this but I think part of the problem is you're sending mixed messages. On Sunday you said this:

It is an addiction but isnt what people think it is, I think I shouldve just written less overall

Then the next day you said:

As was pointed out earlier by another poster, my habits are more of a recreational gambler than a full on gambling addict, it just seems the language is loaded with connotations, people assume the worst with the right intentions.

The impression I get is that when you started this thread asking for help you believed you had a problem, but wanted reassurance from people that you didnt. The only person that knows for sure if you have a real issue here is you but you have to be honest with yourself.

I side with Derek on this if I was you then I'd step away from it, at least for a while and see how you feel while away from the markets.