Ukraine Crisis

[napshnap]

Did you read this? viewtopic.php?p=339717#p339717

I'm sure that's a contributing factor as well

But it plays nicely into the Kremlin narrative doesn't it, "don't support Ukraine with weapons, they end up in the wrong hands"

What if they really do end up in the wrong hands? What all this crazy shit is all about then if it's not about not murdering civs?
You don't have to answer, this is a philosophical question.

[Archery1969]

More explosions in Southern Israel. Have they turned off their Iron Dome ?

[Archery1969]

Ukraine starts using their long rang missiles. These are being used to hit supply chains well beyond the front lines.

[Kai]

Ukraine starts using their long rang missiles. These are being used to hit supply chains well beyond the front lines.

Have to admit that was a devastating first salvo of ATACMS, to lose so many helicopters like that is a massive blow

This Russian offensive at Avdiivka is mental as well, can't believe they still think they are capable of mounting a serious offensive. A catastrophic failure but they keep trying, don't see how they can even with a single battle with this military doctrine, let alone a war.

Battle of the Bulge immediately comes to mind, one last desperate offensive before the lines fall apart.

[Archery1969]

Ukraine starts using their long rang missiles. These are being used to hit supply chains well beyond the front lines.

Have to admit that was a devastating first salvo of ATACMS, to lose so many helicopters like that is a massive blow

This Russian offensive at Avdiivka is mental as well, can't believe they still think they are capable of mounting a serious offensive. A catastrophic failure but they keep trying, don't see how they can even with a single battle with this military doctrine, let alone a war.

Battle of the Bulge immediately comes to mind, one last desperate offensive before the lines fall apart.

Agreed.

Once supply chains are cut off then its only a matter of time before it goes pear shape. No food, drinking water, medical supplies and ammuntion. You may well see thousands of Russian troops just surrender or do a runner back home of elsewhere.

Ukraine has received 200 long range ATACMS with another 300 arriving over the next couple of weeks.

[Archery1969]

Ukraine troops have crossed over onto the Russian-occupied left (eastern) bank of the Dnipro River.



I imagine that will turn into a blood bath.

[Derek27]

The 7th of October Hamas attack on Israel was probably more devastating to Ukraine than any of Russia's attacks!

[Derek27]

Putin doesn't want to carry on as president of Russia. He had to be begged on live TV to stand again, before he reluctantly agreed.

[Emmson]

I am disturbed at developments in Ukraine lately, the strategy of the western democracies now seems to be send enough military aid to stop UKRAINE losing but not one bullet more than that. And if Trump wins then expect the whole of Ukraine to be overrun in time.


Very Disturbing

also the news channels seem to have lost interest too

Equally Disturbing

[Archery1969]

I am disturbed at developments in Ukraine lately, the strategy of the western democracies now seems to be send enough military aid to stop UKRAINE losing but not one bullet more than that. And if Trump wins then expect the whole of Ukraine to be overrun in time.


Very Disturbing

also the news channels seem to have lost interest too

Equally Disturbing

The only way for Ukraine to survive is for NATO and the west todo the unthinkable and Nuke Russian assets at home and abroad.

I said it at the start of all this to take Putin out but most in here said I was mad.

Unfortunately, Ukraine will now lose. I hope everyone remembers what happens next when Russia moves forward to other areas in Europe.

NATO and the west are weak. Let them get on with it.

[Archery1969]

Basically, if I were the current UK government then I would declare that we are at war with Russia.

Then we would see if NATO and the west mean what they say or like the UN, full of shit talk with no backbone.

[napshnap]

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[Kai]

I am disturbed at developments in Ukraine lately

Russia has done well to slow things down to a crawl and to turn it into trench warfare, it's the one area where they have big advantage with endless waves of conscripts. They are fully prepared to find creative/illegal ways to force their own people and foreigners into service, it's the one area where Ukraine cannot match them.

At this point I think only complete air superiority can switch things up.

[Archery1969]

The US president needs to sign an executive order pushing threw funding for Ukraine before the new year otherwise Ukraine is doomed and probably other parts of Eastern Europe.

[greenmark]

I am disturbed at developments in Ukraine lately

Russia has done well to slow things down to a crawl and to turn it into trench warfare, it's the one area where they have big advantage with endless waves of conscripts. They are fully prepared to find creative/illegal ways to force their own people and foreigners into service, it's the one area where Ukraine cannot match them.

At this point I think only complete air superiority can switch things up.

My perception is that Putin has achieved his No.1 objective. securing Donbas and creating a land bridge to Crimea.
But he's still a nasty piece of work prepared to squander young lives when he could be a global statesman and create a coaltion within the non EU countries. But no, WW1 entrenchment is his strategy. Why can Russian's not see what a retarding influence he is. That attempted invasion of Kyiv says a lot for me. He knew it probably woudn't succeed but he put his people in that place like sitting ducks, a gamble with lives.